Toyo vs. Nitto
 

I'm looking at buying a new set of tires in the next few days. I am looking at replacing my current Nitto NT-05 with another set or maybe Toyo Proxes R888. I'm torn on what I should do. The Nitto's are on sale for under $700 a set, the Toyo's are significantly more than that. I also heard you need to run more camber and more toe in for the Toyo's.

Has anyone used the Toyo R888 tires? How do they stack up to the NT-05's?

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What, more camber? For a different tire? On the street? Amazing how people love to hear themselves talk. :blahblah:

Really liked my Toyos...bought them when the Goodyears weren't being produced, because Sumis and Nittos are uh, well, maybe 285s at best. The Toyos are WIDE and looked badass and they stuck like glue.

My advice is buy Goodyears if you can get them. Next is Toyos.

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The nitto is a full size 315 in the rear the sumi isn't. I have nittos on the car now and I don't like them and I don't hate them. I think my old worn out gsd3's stuck better then the nittos I have now though. If I had to do it over again, I'd go gsd3

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I'd love to see a wet and dry skid-pad comparison including the Nittos, Sumi's, Toyo's and GSD3s.

All I have to go by are the Nitto "555" and "555R" vs. the 'D3s.

Warm, dry weather and especially at the drag strip, the Nitto 555R sticks much better than the 'D3s, especially noticed the difference with the 13# Fidanza.

In rain or on wet pavement, the 'D3s are tops; NO CONTEST. In fact, the 555R (drag radial) gets very squirrely around 45+ mph, depending on the amount of water on the highway.

And, when it gets down to freezing, neither tire is particularly safe, IMO.

I almost never drive on snow. But, I have tried to drive across the yard with the 555Rs: forgetaboutit!! Might as well be slicks!

So, In my experience, and especially in warm weather (read: pavement is warm/hot) I prefer the Nittos to the D3's...unless it is raining.

But, Nitto also makes the "G2" tire which is apparently a much better all-round wet/dry tire (especially WET). Maybe Robert Demarco can offer his subjective opinion.

Like I said: sure would like to see a skid pad comparison.

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I have the g2 on my car....I think. I'll look when I get home. The fact that I can spin them with a 6000 rpm shift and then going wot where an ~10 year old set of gsd3's hooked at a 7000 rpm shift doesn't give me much confidence. They also flat spot easily when not driven very often. I'm worried about what it's going to feel like when I pull the car out for the summer. I've been able to drive it every month this winter, but only at low speeds around the neighborhood. Maybe they need broken in, maybe they suck. I'm not sure yet, but I'm not a fan so far.

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i have the r888 much cheaper than the nittos...

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What Nitto's? A lot of people rave about the NT-05 tire and overall have been very happy with them. They are almost 3 years old and a little hard. They did pretty damn well on my track day I did 2 years ago as well.

Where did you get them? The Nitto NT-05's are $640 a set shipped right now. If the R888's were in the ballpark I would give them a shot.

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my bad, i shouldn't have typed "much cheaper"...

last time i priced at tire rack i was quoted $5xx for a set. a buddy has a wholesale account.

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how do the NT01s price out ?

look like tirerack has raised prices on the R888.

they should be discounting them as a new R888r is due out

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The R888's are my favorite tire. Hope they don't screw the pooch with the R888r replacements. They are in an entirely different (better) league than the Nitto's.

Gordon

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555 gen 2

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Well I missed out on the sale for the Nitto's. I see more positive feedback on the Toyo's as well. I am not looking at goodyears right now as this will be used on the track this year. I want something that is okay to run on the street but decent on the track.

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I have Nitto NT05 tires (for track use only) and they have held up great.

But, I doubt anyone would want to run these on the street because they have very little tread. They are about as close to a slick as possible for a DOT tire.

I don't have any experience with other Nitto models.

I know it's not practical for many, but having separate tires/wheels for the street and track is great. I'm hoping my street Goodyears last a long time.

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the nt05r .... the drag radials ?

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Nope. The ones for turning corners. :-)

http://zr1.net/forum/picture.php?alb...pictureid=3129

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No no no these tires are not for turning

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Here is the skinny on all of the tires seeing as how I have had or currently have them.

Toyo RA1 were the predecessor to the triple 8, RA1 were an excellent Dry/Wet tire that I would have recommended to everyone, Triple 8 are great tire when it is dry, However they are slick when it is wet.

Nitto NT05 is a good all around tire, it is an average track tire. They do handle well in heavy rain at 70. In my experience this tire does have a slight roll when hot.

Now lets talk about the tire I would compare to the RA1, Nitto has the 555 G2. This tire is down right phenomenal, Sticky when it is dry and the tire is warm, Man! does it move water when it is wet.
Last year I was driving my Pace car home from Indy, I hit a rain storm at 85mph, Not once did the traction control engage.

NT-01 I have never had these tires, so I would rather not comment on them.

With that being said, The 888 and any R rated Nitto need to be heat cycled.

Membership pricing, there are no shipping cost.
NT 555 G2
174.93 Rear
131.94 Front

NT555R
165.76 Rear
157.23 Front

NT05:NT05R
05R:175.71 Rear
05 187.39 Rear
05 139.69 Front

NT01
216.07 Rear
190.19 Front


18"
335/30/18
555R 280.11
I have to call and get pricing on front 275/35/18 or 275/40/18.

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bought nitto 555 for the fronts of my z06 and nitto 555r for the rears. 555r hooks like crazy even with my very powerful second gear shift, the 305 35 18 sticks hard. 555 fronts are summer performance tire with 300 treadwear rating. the 555 r rears have 100 treadwear race compound. they are not too bad in the rain at 65 either. Just cant get too low on the treads. car handles like a track car with these tires. love them.

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why would you not use the 555r for the front also ?

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wanted to get the 555's in the front to plow through the rain water first and keep the front on the ground. the 555 r's dont channel the water as well as the 555's so I did if for safety. My biggest problem is that without a 100 compound rear tire I will have excessive wheel spin 1 2 and 3rd gears. the 555 r does an excellent job on dry pavement and keeps the car planted.

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Do you have pricing on the Toyo R888?

Your prices are very good BTW.

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I like the 555 G2s as well. I'm an old fart but still like to play a bit and the 91 sticks really well when coming out of a corner under hard acceleration. The wife is still playing around a bit in her 90. We put the same tires on hers. She will get some time under her belt soon as the weather warms a bit.
The 91 launches well at reasonable RPM and the nice part is the tires take the hwy. really well and are quiet at any speed you really care to drive. Your pricing is good. And as is generally the case, I paid a bit more, but nothing outrageous. All this for about half of what you could spend on other tires.

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I'm surprised nobody has the Nitto NT-01s mounted for comparison. I have used them on a C5 Z06 and also on the ZR-1. In comparison I've used slicks on the track, Toyo R888's and the old BFGs.

You shouldn't compare the Toyo R888 to the NT-05, the NT-01 is correct tire to compare.
The NT-01 is a very capable track tire, and you can't find better traction than on a street tire as long as its dry and warm out. I generally don't have the ZR-1 out unless its dry, so I don't worry about it.

The R888 and Nitto NT-01 are very similar. Both have outstanding grip. Both are a very capable track / autocross tire. "Almost" as good as slicks, and wear much better. The downside to the R888 and NT-01 compared with other street tires is you will get less mileage from them. Probably half of a tire with a harder compound like the Goodyears or Michelin tires.

I think most people would recommend the R888's or NT-01 if you plan to autocross or do track days and don't want to get a second set of rims and special tires. For me, I like the phenomenal grip and don't mind the lower life as I don't put a ton of miles on the car anyway. I figure by the time the tires are getting a few years on them and aren't as soft anymore, I'll have them worn out.

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Any info on the actual widths of these tires? I know the Goodyears are wide and the Sumitomos are skinny, but I thought I heard the Nittos were not as wide as the Goodyears. How about the Toyos? How do they compare width-wise to the Goodyears? I currently have old BFGs that are plenty wide and they need to be replaced due to age. Thanks.

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I've had these Toyo R888's on the car for 1 1/2 years, 3K mi. I'd get a shot of the wear, but the car is in the shop at the moment.

They stick like glue in the dry, and just OK in the wet. I'm very happy with them so far.
Even as soft as they are, they'll probably age out before they wear out.

As little as most ZR-1's get driven, I think these are the ideal tires for the car.
I think expensive, long wearing , all weather tires are a waste of money on these cars.

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Road noise on R888s?

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Road noise? My car has headers, no cats, and a 3" B&B system. So, I have no idea. :)

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:thumbsup: Zactly what I wuz thinkin':cheers:

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Same goes for me -- I don't drive mine in the rain and I'm replacing my tires only due to age. I don't mind fast wear -- may actually make me feel I'm getting something for my money! ;)

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Nitto 555`s on the rear. No sidewall strength. I wouldn`t shed a tear if a railroad spike got both of them tomorrow.