"Water Wetter" Truth or fiction?

[cuisinartvette]

I noticed 0 difference except a lighter wallet. Drained the stuff out and put coolant back in.

[Z Factor]

It has worked for me in reducing temperature.

http://zr1netregistry.com/forum/showthread.php?t=645

[Paul Workman]

Originally Posted by Z Factor

It has worked for me in reducing temperature.

http://zr1netregistry.com/forum/showthread.php?t=645

Your results are interesting - 'cooler' you say. But, were the before/after conditions exactly the same? Was the block cooler or was the coolant cooler?...That is the kind of stuff that has me wondering.

So, w/o casting dispursions on any particular wetting agent, so many times the product testing procedrues are so badly flawed (or manipulated) that the degree of ambiguity in the data collected would not support a valid conclusion. (Anybody wanna give me $200 for a Q-ray bracelet???)

Maybe a topic for the program, "Myth Busters", huh?

P.

[tomtom72]

I think if you read the WW bottle it performs best when mixed with just distilled water as a coolant. Any anti-freeze in the solution reduces the effects of the WW.

I was using it for a while and found to get noticable results, via the temp gauges, I had to lower the conc of 1825M down to where it would only protect to 5*C.....kind of useless in NYC if we get a real cold snap.

My eventual solution was to make & install the intake screen.
Flush & refill every two yrs with a new T-stat(OEM) & 1825-M.
I cleaned the cooling stack, rad and condensor fins of sand and ofcourse the leafs & candy wrappers
My side tank clamps were a bit loose so I cinched up the tank clamps, don't know if that did anything as there were no liquid leak trails.
Last step will be to buy better fans and maybe one of those super radiators when my OE one pops. I hear the plastic tanks crack eventually?

If you don't have to worry about freezing, I'd use the WW + distilled water + just enough 1825-M to protect the metal from corrosion...it would proly work well. JMHO


Tom

[Aurora40]

Originally Posted by Jeffvette

So for shits and giggles, put a pot on the stove filled with distilled water, raise the temp to 180 degrees then pour in some WW. Does the temp change?

I don't think that is what they are claiming it does.

Originally Posted by Paul Workman

Fact: Coolant temperature is an indirect method of determining engine heat: the temperature of the engine surfaces is the "real deal", but because we're so familiar with engine temp in terms of standard water coolant temp characterisitics, we take it for granted. The point is, if it ain't a well known comodity, i.e. "water" (50/50 antifreeze), then all bets are off as to actual engine metal temp/ effectiveness in the presence of an unknown coolant. My point is, colant temp changes claimed by the makers of the WW is not proof of better cooling, due to the fact measuring coolant temp is an indirect measurement of engine surfaces.

Well, if you have the same engine, the engine heat is the same. So if you change the coolant, unknown or not, and the engine that outputs the same heat heats the coolant up less, isn't it fairly safe to say the coolant transfers heat more efficiently? Unless your concern is that the coolant maybe doesn't transfer heat at all, and so it is fairly cool even though the engine is burning up?

It's a well-known fact, not unknown, that 100% water has more specific heat than 50% water/50% ethelyne glycol. So presumably if water wetter lets you safely run almost 100% water (3 gallons of water, 12 ounces of WW or whatever) then your cooling system will be more efficient.

I've never used the stuff though. The main reason is that I've never needed to. My Z can maintain it's desired temperature just fine. I've never had it happen that the fans kicking on could not bring the temperature down. So the heat transfer ability of the coolant is not a problem. And 50/50 coolant has a huge body of data surrounding it in terms of its affect on engine life, water pump life, etc. There is little risk in using it. Water Wetter on the other hand, who knows. Plus, Water Wetter, as you are only using a small amount, couldn't possibly alter the freezing or boiling points of the water as much as a 50% additive could. And I drive my car year 'round. So using 50/50 coolant is a no-brainer.

If you are having some issue with cooling capability, I would suggest troubleshooting the system and fixing the issue rather than changing coolants as the initial approach.