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Old 03-15-2008   #31
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Default Re: secondary removal how do you go......

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I'm using TTS Datamaster to log. I've got one I could email too you if your interested.
Scott

Max,

Good catch!
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Old 03-15-2008   #32
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Default Re: secondary removal how do you go......

Well, at least I have figured out that this routine is only present on 4 calibrations, and AYBK is one. That happens to be the cal which MaxLean is using.

These calibrations use a 20-byte BLM table (0-15, 16, 17, 18, 19), whereas all the other LT5 use 16-bytes (0-15). I remembered now that BMCB used 20, but never could determine why.

More to follow.
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Old 03-15-2008   #33
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Todd,

So this is limited to 90-91 ZRs? Any idea why they would remove that?
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Old 03-15-2008   #34
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Todd,

So this is limited to 90-91 ZRs? Any idea why they would remove that?
No. The only pre-93 calibration this exists in is the AYBK, and that was a service release not original equipment. Having said that, even some later released service cals, don't have it! Very wierd.

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Old 03-15-2008   #35
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No. The only pre-93 calibration this exists in is the AYBK, and that was a service release not original equipment. Having said that, even some later released service cals, don't have it! Very wierd.

Todd
Todd,

Any speculation on the function?
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Old 03-22-2008   #36
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Default Re: secondary removal how do you go......

update -- I've finally had a chance to look at this. Several things going on...

cell 16 is the idle cell, used if tps < 1.8% and rpm < 1800.
cell 17-19 are used when the 2ndary fuel injectors are on. The cells are divided by the normal RPM boundaries.

I'll post the code, although the formatting is not perfect. So I'll attach a txt file for easier reading.
NEW BLM.txt

Todd

Code:
   
 
*#####################################################   
*# BLOCK LEARN CELL UPDATE ROUTINE   
*# CELLS 0-15 FOR NORMAL OPERATION   
*# CELL 16 FOR IDLE CONDITIONS (LOW TPS, LOW RPM)   
*# CELLS 17-19 USED WHEN PT OPEN TO 2NDARY'S ON   
*# DELAY IS OVER   
*#####################################################   
 
******************************************************   
* GET BLOCK LEARN MULTIPLIER AND ITS CELL   
******************************************************   
GETBLM BCLR MWFA;BIT2 BLOCK LEARN ADDRESS CHANGE FLAG = 0
 LDAB BLMCELL  FETCH CURRENT BL CELL
 CMPB #15 
 BLS BLIDLCHK IF BL CELL <= 15, GO CHECK FOR IDLE STATE
 CMPB #16 
 BNE BLMPTCHK IF BL CELL > 16, GO CHECK PT STATUS
 
******************************************************   
* TEST FOR CONDITIONS TO REMAIN IN IDLE BLM CELL (16)   
******************************************************   
 LDAA KTPSBLML IF BL CELL = 16, CHECK THRESHOLDS TO REMAIN IN IDLE CELL
 ADDA KTPSBLHY ADD HYSTERESIS TERM (0.8%) TO MIN TPS FOR CELL 16 (1.2%)
 BCS LD0CB 
 CMPA NTPSLD 
 BCS GETBLM4A BR IF TPS > LIMIT; THEN NEED TO CHANGE CELL
GETBLM1CLDAA KRPMBLML FETCH RPM THRESHOLD (1800)
 ADDA KBLESHY  ADD HYSTERESIS TERM (50 RPM) TO MIN RPM FOR CELL 16 (1800)
 BCS GETBLM2A 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BCS GETBLM4A BR IF RPM > LIMIT; THEN NEED TO CHANGE CELL
 JMP LD176  IF ALL OK, THEN STAY IN CELL 16
 
******************************************************   
* TEST FOR CONDITIONS TO REMAIN IN PT OPEN CELLS (17-19)   
******************************************************   
BLMPTCHKBRCLR MW1;BIT1,GETBLM4AIF CELL > 16 AND PT DELAY OVER, GO TO NORMAL BLM ROUTINE
    … OTHERWISE IF DELAY NOT OVER
 ANDB #3  …. RPMINDEX = BITS 0,1 OF BLMCELL
 SUBB #1 
 LDX #KBLESB1A BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--LOW
 ABX   DETERMINE LOWER RPM BOUNDARY OF CURRENT BLCELL
 TSTB   IF RPMINDEX = 0, THERE IS NO LOWER BOUNDARY TO CHECK
 BEQ GETBLM11 
 LDAA 0,X 
 SUBA KBLESHY  SUBTRACT HYSTERESIS VALUE TO FORM LOWER RPM LIMIT
 BCS GETBLM09 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BHI GETBLM4A BR IF RPM < LIMIT; CELL HAS CHANGED
GETBLM09CMPB #2  IF RPMINDEX = 2, THERE IS NO UPPER BOUNDARY TO CHECK
 BEQ GETBLM2A 
GETBLM11LDAA 1,X 
 ADDA KBLESHY  ADD HYSTERESIS VALUE TO FORM UPPER RPM LIMIT
 BCS LD176 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BCS GETBLM4B BR IF RPM > LIMIT; CELL HAS CHANGED
GETBLM2ABRA LD176 
 
GETBLM4AJMP GETBLM4B 
 
******************************************************   
* TEST FOR CONDITIONS TO ENTER IDLE CELL (16)   
******************************************************   
BLIDLCHKLDAA NTPSLD  IF CURRENT CELL <= 15, CHECK FOR IDLE STATE
 CMPA KTPSBLML COMPARE CURRENT TPS WITH THRESHOLD (1.2%)
 BHI GETBLM2B IF TPS > MIN GO CHECK PT STATUS
 LDAA NTRPMX 
 CMPA KRPMBLML COMPARE CURRENT RPM WITH THRESHOLD (1800)
 BHI GETBLM2B IF RPM > MIN GO CHECK PT STATUS
 LDAB #16  IF TPS AND RPM BELOW LIMIT, USE CELL 16
 JMP GETBLM60 GO STORE BLM CELL = 16
 
******************************************************   
* NORMAL BLM ROUTINE BEGINS HERE   
******************************************************   
GETBLM2BBRSET MW1;BIT1,GETBLM4BBR IF PORT THROTTLE TO 2NDARY'S ON DELAY OVER
 
 LDAB BLMCELL 
 ANDB #3  …. RPMINDEX = BITS 0,1 OF BLMCELL
 LDX #KBLESB1A-1 BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--LOW
 ABX   DETERMINE LOWER RPM BOUNDARY OF CURRENT BLCELL
 TSTB   IF RPMINDEX = 0, THERE IS NO LOWER BOUNDARY TO CHECK
 BEQ GETBLM15 
 LDAA 0,X 
 SUBA KBLESHY  BLM RPM HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM10 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BHI GETBLM4B 
GETBLM10CMPB #3 
 BEQ GETBLM20 
GETBLM15LDAA 1,X 
 ADDA KBLESHY  BLM RPM HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM20 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BCS GETBLM4B 
GETBLM20LDAB BLMCELL 
 ANDB #12 
 LSRB  
 LSRB  
 LDX #KBLESB3 BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--HIGH
 ABX  
 TSTB  
 BEQ GETBLM35 
 LDAA 0,X 
 SUBA KBLPMHYA BLM MAP HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM30 
 CMPA MAPSD 
 BHI GETBLM4B 
GETBLM30CMPB #3 
 BEQ GETBLM36 
GETBLM35LDAA 1,X 
 ADDA KBLPMHYA BLM MAP HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM36 
 CMPA MAPSD 
 BCS GETBLM4B 
GETBLM36LDAB BLMCELL  MAPINDEX = BITS 2,3 OF BLMCELL
 BRA GETBLM60 
 
******************************************************   
* PT OPEN CELLS, ADJUST BASED ON RPM   
******************************************************   
GETBLM4BBSET MWFA;BIT2+BIT3 SET BLOCK LEARN UPDATE AND CELL CHANGE
 LDAB #16 
 LDAA NTPSLD 
 CMPA KTPSBLML COMPARE TPS TO THRESHOLD (1.8%)
 BHI GETBLM4C 
 LDAA NTRPMX 
 CMPA KRPMBLML COMPARE RPM TO THRESHOLD (1800)
 BLS GETBLM60 
GETBLM4CINCB   IF TPS AND RPM ARE ABOVE IDLE LIMIT, INCR BLM TO NEXT CELL
 BRCLR MW1;BIT1,GETBLM40IF PT DELAY IS NOT OVER, THEN GOTO NORMAL BL ROUTINE
 
 LDAA NTRPMX 
 CMPA KBLESB2  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--MID
 BLS GETBLM60 
 INCB   INCREMENT BL CELL IF RPM HIGHER THAN BOUNDARY
 CMPA KBLESB3  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--HIGH
 BLS GETBLM60 
 INCB   INCREMENT BL CELL IF RPM HIGHER THAN BOUNDARY
 BRA GETBLM60 
 
GETBLM40CLRB   BLMCELL = 0
 LDAA NTRPMX  MODIFY BLM CELL LOCATION BASED ON RPM
 CMPA KBLESB1A BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--LOW
 BCS GETBLM50 
 INCB   BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 1.0 (IN COLUMN 1)
 CMPA KBLESB2  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--MID
 BCS GETBLM50 
 INCB  
 CMPA KBLESB3  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--HIGH
 BCS GETBLM50 
 INCB  
GETBLM50LDAA MAPSD  MODIFY BLM CELL LOCATION BASED ON MAP
 CMPA KBLPMB1A BLM CELL MAP BOUNDARY--LOW
 BCS GETBLM60 
 ADDB #4  BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 2.0
 CMPA KBLPMB2A BLM CELL MAP BOUNDARY--MID
 BCS GETBLM60 
 ADDB #4  BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 2.0
 CMPA KBLPMB3A BLM CELL MAP BOUNDARY--HIGH
 BCS GETBLM60 
 ADDB #4  BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 2.0
GETBLM60STAB BLMCELL  STORE BLM CELL
 LDX #LBLMM  POINT TO LEFT BANK BLM CELLS
 ABX   BLMADD = BLMM + BLMCELL
 LDAA 0,X 
 CMPA KBLMMAX  IF BLM VALUE IS OUT OF RANGE, INDICATE
 BHI GETBLM65 …NVRAM FAILURE AND INITIALIZE B/L TABLE
 CMPA KBLMMIN 
 BCS GETBLM65 
 TSTA   TEST LEFT BLM
 BMI GETBLM85 LIMIT LEFT PE BLM TO 128 - BR IF ALREADY >= 128
 BRCLR MWFA;BIT5,GETBLM85BR IF NOT IN PE
 
 LDAA #128  IF IN PE USE LEFT BLM VALUE  >= 128
GETBLM85STAA LBLM  SAVE FINAL LEFT BLM
 LDX #RBLMM  POINT TO RIGHT BANK BLM CELLS
 ABX   BLMADD = BLMM + BLMCELL
 LDAA 0,X 
 CMPA KBLMMAX  IF BLM VALUE IS OUT OF RANGE, INDICATE
 BHI GETBLM65 …NVRAM FAILURE AND INITIALIZE B/L TABLE
 CMPA KBLMMIN 
 BCS GETBLM65 
 TSTA   TEST RIGHT BLM
 BMI GETBLM84 LIMIT RIGHT PE BLM TO 128 - BR IF ALREADY >= 128
 BRCLR MWFA;BIT5,GETBLM84BR IF NOT IN PE
 
 LDAA #128  IF IN PE USE RIGHT BLM VALUE  >= 128
GETBLM84STAA RBLM  SAVE FINAL RIGHT BLM
 BRA GETBLMEX 
 
GETBLM65BSET CLCCMW;BIT6 NV RAM FAILED FLAG = 1
 LDAA #128 
 CLRB  
 LDX #32 
BLMINITCSTAA LBLMM-1,X 
 DEX  
 BNE BLMINITC 
 
 STAA LBLM 
 STAA RBLM 
 
GETBLMEXEQU *
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Old 03-22-2008   #37
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Default Re: secondary removal how do you go......

Quote:
Originally Posted by tpepmeie
update -- I've finally had a chance to look at this. Several things going on...

cell 16 is the idle cell, used if tps < 1.8% and rpm < 1800.
cell 17-19 are used when the 2ndary fuel injectors are on. The cells are divided by the normal RPM boundaries.

I'll post the code, although the formatting is not perfect. So I'll attach a txt file for easier reading.
Attachment 253

Todd

Code:
   


 
*#####################################################   
*# BLOCK LEARN CELL UPDATE ROUTINE   
*# CELLS 0-15 FOR NORMAL OPERATION   
*# CELL 16 FOR IDLE CONDITIONS (LOW TPS, LOW RPM)   
*# CELLS 17-19 USED WHEN PT OPEN TO 2NDARY'S ON   
*# DELAY IS OVER   
*#####################################################   
 
******************************************************   
* GET BLOCK LEARN MULTIPLIER AND ITS CELL   
******************************************************   
GETBLM BCLR MWFA;BIT2 BLOCK LEARN ADDRESS CHANGE FLAG = 0
 LDAB BLMCELL  FETCH CURRENT BL CELL
 CMPB #15 
 BLS BLIDLCHK IF BL CELL <= 15, GO CHECK FOR IDLE STATE
 CMPB #16 
 BNE BLMPTCHK IF BL CELL > 16, GO CHECK PT STATUS
 
******************************************************   
* TEST FOR CONDITIONS TO REMAIN IN IDLE BLM CELL (16)   
******************************************************   
 LDAA KTPSBLML IF BL CELL = 16, CHECK THRESHOLDS TO REMAIN IN IDLE CELL
 ADDA KTPSBLHY ADD HYSTERESIS TERM (0.8%) TO MIN TPS FOR CELL 16 (1.2%)
 BCS LD0CB 
 CMPA NTPSLD 
 BCS GETBLM4A BR IF TPS > LIMIT; THEN NEED TO CHANGE CELL
GETBLM1CLDAA KRPMBLML FETCH RPM THRESHOLD (1800)
 ADDA KBLESHY  ADD HYSTERESIS TERM (50 RPM) TO MIN RPM FOR CELL 16 (1800)
 BCS GETBLM2A 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BCS GETBLM4A BR IF RPM > LIMIT; THEN NEED TO CHANGE CELL
 JMP LD176  IF ALL OK, THEN STAY IN CELL 16
 
******************************************************   
* TEST FOR CONDITIONS TO REMAIN IN PT OPEN CELLS (17-19)   
******************************************************   
BLMPTCHKBRCLR MW1;BIT1,GETBLM4AIF CELL > 16 AND PT DELAY OVER, GO TO NORMAL BLM ROUTINE
    … OTHERWISE IF DELAY NOT OVER
 ANDB #3  …. RPMINDEX = BITS 0,1 OF BLMCELL
 SUBB #1 
 LDX #KBLESB1A BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--LOW
 ABX   DETERMINE LOWER RPM BOUNDARY OF CURRENT BLCELL
 TSTB   IF RPMINDEX = 0, THERE IS NO LOWER BOUNDARY TO CHECK
 BEQ GETBLM11 
 LDAA 0,X 
 SUBA KBLESHY  SUBTRACT HYSTERESIS VALUE TO FORM LOWER RPM LIMIT
 BCS GETBLM09 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BHI GETBLM4A BR IF RPM < LIMIT; CELL HAS CHANGED
GETBLM09CMPB #2  IF RPMINDEX = 2, THERE IS NO UPPER BOUNDARY TO CHECK
 BEQ GETBLM2A 
GETBLM11LDAA 1,X 
 ADDA KBLESHY  ADD HYSTERESIS VALUE TO FORM UPPER RPM LIMIT
 BCS LD176 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BCS GETBLM4B BR IF RPM > LIMIT; CELL HAS CHANGED
GETBLM2ABRA LD176 
 
GETBLM4AJMP GETBLM4B 
 
******************************************************   
* TEST FOR CONDITIONS TO ENTER IDLE CELL (16)   
******************************************************   
BLIDLCHKLDAA NTPSLD  IF CURRENT CELL <= 15, CHECK FOR IDLE STATE
 CMPA KTPSBLML COMPARE CURRENT TPS WITH THRESHOLD (1.2%)
 BHI GETBLM2B IF TPS > MIN GO CHECK PT STATUS
 LDAA NTRPMX 
 CMPA KRPMBLML COMPARE CURRENT RPM WITH THRESHOLD (1800)
 BHI GETBLM2B IF RPM > MIN GO CHECK PT STATUS
 LDAB #16  IF TPS AND RPM BELOW LIMIT, USE CELL 16
 JMP GETBLM60 GO STORE BLM CELL = 16
 
******************************************************   
* NORMAL BLM ROUTINE BEGINS HERE   
******************************************************   
GETBLM2BBRSET MW1;BIT1,GETBLM4BBR IF PORT THROTTLE TO 2NDARY'S ON DELAY OVER
 
 LDAB BLMCELL 
 ANDB #3  …. RPMINDEX = BITS 0,1 OF BLMCELL
 LDX #KBLESB1A-1 BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--LOW
 ABX   DETERMINE LOWER RPM BOUNDARY OF CURRENT BLCELL
 TSTB   IF RPMINDEX = 0, THERE IS NO LOWER BOUNDARY TO CHECK
 BEQ GETBLM15 
 LDAA 0,X 
 SUBA KBLESHY  BLM RPM HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM10 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BHI GETBLM4B 
GETBLM10CMPB #3 
 BEQ GETBLM20 
GETBLM15LDAA 1,X 
 ADDA KBLESHY  BLM RPM HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM20 
 CMPA NTRPMX 
 BCS GETBLM4B 
GETBLM20LDAB BLMCELL 
 ANDB #12 
 LSRB  
 LSRB  
 LDX #KBLESB3 BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--HIGH
 ABX  
 TSTB  
 BEQ GETBLM35 
 LDAA 0,X 
 SUBA KBLPMHYA BLM MAP HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM30 
 CMPA MAPSD 
 BHI GETBLM4B 
GETBLM30CMPB #3 
 BEQ GETBLM36 
GETBLM35LDAA 1,X 
 ADDA KBLPMHYA BLM MAP HYSTERESIS
 BCS GETBLM36 
 CMPA MAPSD 
 BCS GETBLM4B 
GETBLM36LDAB BLMCELL  MAPINDEX = BITS 2,3 OF BLMCELL
 BRA GETBLM60 
 
******************************************************   
* PT OPEN CELLS, ADJUST BASED ON RPM   
******************************************************   
GETBLM4BBSET MWFA;BIT2+BIT3 SET BLOCK LEARN UPDATE AND CELL CHANGE
 LDAB #16 
 LDAA NTPSLD 
 CMPA KTPSBLML COMPARE TPS TO THRESHOLD (1.8%)
 BHI GETBLM4C 
 LDAA NTRPMX 
 CMPA KRPMBLML COMPARE RPM TO THRESHOLD (1800)
 BLS GETBLM60 
GETBLM4CINCB   IF TPS AND RPM ARE ABOVE IDLE LIMIT, INCR BLM TO NEXT CELL
 BRCLR MW1;BIT1,GETBLM40IF PT DELAY IS NOT OVER, THEN GOTO NORMAL BL ROUTINE
 
 LDAA NTRPMX 
 CMPA KBLESB2  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--MID
 BLS GETBLM60 
 INCB   INCREMENT BL CELL IF RPM HIGHER THAN BOUNDARY
 CMPA KBLESB3  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--HIGH
 BLS GETBLM60 
 INCB   INCREMENT BL CELL IF RPM HIGHER THAN BOUNDARY
 BRA GETBLM60 
 
GETBLM40CLRB   BLMCELL = 0
 LDAA NTRPMX  MODIFY BLM CELL LOCATION BASED ON RPM
 CMPA KBLESB1A BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--LOW
 BCS GETBLM50 
 INCB   BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 1.0 (IN COLUMN 1)
 CMPA KBLESB2  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--MID
 BCS GETBLM50 
 INCB  
 CMPA KBLESB3  BLM CELL RPM BOUNDARY--HIGH
 BCS GETBLM50 
 INCB  
GETBLM50LDAA MAPSD  MODIFY BLM CELL LOCATION BASED ON MAP
 CMPA KBLPMB1A BLM CELL MAP BOUNDARY--LOW
 BCS GETBLM60 
 ADDB #4  BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 2.0
 CMPA KBLPMB2A BLM CELL MAP BOUNDARY--MID
 BCS GETBLM60 
 ADDB #4  BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 2.0
 CMPA KBLPMB3A BLM CELL MAP BOUNDARY--HIGH
 BCS GETBLM60 
 ADDB #4  BLMCELL = BLMCELL + 2.0
GETBLM60STAB BLMCELL  STORE BLM CELL
 LDX #LBLMM  POINT TO LEFT BANK BLM CELLS
 ABX   BLMADD = BLMM + BLMCELL
 LDAA 0,X 
 CMPA KBLMMAX  IF BLM VALUE IS OUT OF RANGE, INDICATE
 BHI GETBLM65 …NVRAM FAILURE AND INITIALIZE B/L TABLE
 CMPA KBLMMIN 
 BCS GETBLM65 
 TSTA   TEST LEFT BLM
 BMI GETBLM85 LIMIT LEFT PE BLM TO 128 - BR IF ALREADY >= 128
 BRCLR MWFA;BIT5,GETBLM85BR IF NOT IN PE
 
 LDAA #128  IF IN PE USE LEFT BLM VALUE  >= 128
GETBLM85STAA LBLM  SAVE FINAL LEFT BLM
 LDX #RBLMM  POINT TO RIGHT BANK BLM CELLS
 ABX   BLMADD = BLMM + BLMCELL
 LDAA 0,X 
 CMPA KBLMMAX  IF BLM VALUE IS OUT OF RANGE, INDICATE
 BHI GETBLM65 …NVRAM FAILURE AND INITIALIZE B/L TABLE
 CMPA KBLMMIN 
 BCS GETBLM65 
 TSTA   TEST RIGHT BLM
 BMI GETBLM84 LIMIT RIGHT PE BLM TO 128 - BR IF ALREADY >= 128
 BRCLR MWFA;BIT5,GETBLM84BR IF NOT IN PE
 
 LDAA #128  IF IN PE USE RIGHT BLM VALUE  >= 128
GETBLM84STAA RBLM  SAVE FINAL RIGHT BLM
 BRA GETBLMEX 
 
GETBLM65BSET CLCCMW;BIT6 NV RAM FAILED FLAG = 1
 LDAA #128 
 CLRB  
 LDX #32 
BLMINITCSTAA LBLMM-1,X 
 DEX  
 BNE BLMINITC 
 
 STAA LBLM 
 STAA RBLM 
 
GETBLMEXEQU *
Cool! I wasn't going insane then! Do you agree then that when using a bin like this that it is advantageous to allow the ecm to think that secondary opperation is normal in the interest of being able to use all fuel cells for improved driveability?
Scott
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Old 03-22-2008   #38
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Quote:
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Cool! I wasn't going insane then! Do you agree then that when using a bin like this that it is advantageous to allow the ecm to think that secondary opperation is normal in the interest of being able to use all fuel cells for improved driveability?
Scott
For me, if I were doing a calibration for a car w/ no secondaries & one of these 4 files, I would modify this routine to avoid the 3 PT open cells, and just use the normal 16-byte BLM table. That is, assuming I needed/wanted to use Block Learn at all.
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Old 03-22-2008   #39
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For me, if I were doing a calibration for a car w/ no secondaries & one of these 4 files, I would modify this routine to avoid the 3 PT open cells, and just use the normal 16-byte BLM table. That is, assuming I needed/wanted to use Block Learn at all.
Do you have any speculation as to why these particular calibrations are like this? I'm sure GM had a reason for this mode of opperation. And am I to assume that you run an open loop tune normally?
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Old 03-25-2008   #40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxlean
Do you have any speculation as to why these particular calibrations are like this? I'm sure GM had a reason for this mode of opperation. And am I to assume that you run an open loop tune normally?
Scott
Scott,
it makes good sense, actually. The fuel tables are different for PT open v. PT closed, so therefore it is logical that you would want the ability to apply a different long-term correction value to each case. One might say that would not be needed, since you'd likely be in Power enrichment under PT open conditions anyway. Not necessarily. Imagine the situation where you make a quick passing maneuver on the freeway, then quickly back off but not less than 4.7% TPS. The PTs would remain open until the TPS lower threshold is met, yet you'd easily be out of Power enrichment.

What I just can't grasp is why the seemingly random application of this enhanced BLM code. Why is it not, for example, in BFXB (one of the last service calibrations released)? For the most part, the later released cals are very similar in all other regards.

For me, I generally ran my 91 350/500hp in Open Loop. As long as you get the fuel tables very close to ideal, and run with consistent gas and ambient conditions, its not a problem. Its all a matter of preference, really. However, I did have it going on full-time closed loop dual Wideband O2 control for awhile, just to see if I could do it.

Todd
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