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Old 03-27-2013   #11
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Documented failure

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Pull em just saying
I say just "rip 'em!!!".
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Well, I guess this delete secondaries thread is officially complete now!

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PS That should be LT5.1 = an improvement in performance and reliability.
I suppose that could be true. Does anyone have dyno results from a "secondaries only" change? In any event it's not an LT5 anymore.

As far as secondary hardware coming loose and falling out? Not a common failure I think.
I know I've heard of a tire pressure waring sensor letting loose and got smashed up in the tire but I chose not to take mine out. I just fixe them when they fail. I varied (mod) the sensor to not fail again in the same way it did.
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Old 03-27-2013   #13
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Ok Z owners , looks like that is my decision correct ...I would call it LT6 - need to get new engine badge
Just tell me where is located and how is looking sensor who stay there on
my 94
Of course , for help with parts that I will need to finish my engine will
touch Mr Jerry .... he allways resolve my wishes here oversea.....
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I suppose that could be true. Does anyone have dyno results from a "secondaries only" change? In any event it's not an LT5 anymore.

As far as secondary hardware coming loose and falling out? Not a common failure I think.
I know I've heard of a tire pressure waring sensor letting loose and got smashed up in the tire but I chose not to take mine out. I just fixe them when they fail. I varied (mod) the sensor to not fail again in the same way it did.
So why does "ripping/yanking out" the secondaries make it anything but an LT5?
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So why does "ripping/yanking out" the secondaries make it anything but an LT5?

I dont hear or see the logic either
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I dont hear or see the logic either

None to hear or see....
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So why does "ripping/yanking out" the secondaries make it anything but an LT5?
Is it then a LT4.9 or LT6? ummm, I don't think it's to be taken literally.
Just saying
Is a narrow body 88 with an LT5 in it a ZR-1?
Is a 63 with an LT5 in it a ZR-1 ?
Is a ZR-1 with a LS9 in it a ZR-1?
Is Fastlane's highly modified LT5/ZR-1 with ford parts still a ZR-1 ?
Don't really know if there is an answer.
Who really cares except NCRS ?
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Ummm.....yeah....just sayin'......
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None to hear or see....

I hear nothing posted here in this thread and I see nothing posted here in this thread to make the logical and supportable argument that removing the secondaries no longer qualifies a LT5 engine platform to still be anything less than a LT5 engine platform.



Even after a proven and documented failure with pictures no less. Using the earlier presented logic my 380 bottom end also no longer qualifies as an LT5 as too the 415 and 441 stroker motors????What about the top end port and enhanced intake cams?? Same argument I guess

The LT5 is still a LT5 no matter how you improve it, modify it..... reguardless.

Now the argument is about dropping the LT5 in a different car and Calling it a ZR-1. Which again is illogical and an apples to organges argument.

Scott you truely are confused as your smiley suggests.... GC

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Scott you truely are confused as your smiley suggests.... GC

I think there is a big "tell" here for several of those that "rip" secondaries out. The "tell" is the sensitivity. If one really believed that ripping stuff off the car (be it secondaries or Bose or ????) instead of simply fixing it there would not be this sensitivity and prodding for an argument repeatedly. There would be righteous indignation and non, if any, defensive reaction. Those that have had the secondaries ripped and reallllly believe it's right would "relax" and in the knowledge it "right for them". I'm done. Have your last shot. "confused"? That's pathetic.
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