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A26B · 09-04-2013

My reaction is the same as Dynomite's.

There's only two (not one) sources of copper and that's rod pin bushings & crank bearings. I would hope the "white" metal is babbit flakes rather than aluminum.

If it turns out to be bearing material, the saving grace is that the crank will probably be OK. The real question is why?

Considering the oil flow path, the crank is oiled from the inside-out and oil is filtered before going to any part of the engine, less & except the oil pump. So, it's very unlikely that any of the metallic debris, of a damaging size, could end up hurting anything else.

I have seen thrust bearings where the flange is nearly broken off. The way they were made with "no" radius where the flange is attached to the main bearing itself, is not so cool.

Please keep us posted on the findings. If you have to go into the engine, locating the cause is imperative.

90ZR1#1221 · 09-04-2013

I was thinking main bearings/thrust washers. Ill get the pan dropped tomorrow and probably pull the air plenum and check the cam housings and valves stuff like that till I get the results of my oil analysis. Bright side is I think I caught this before any major damage was done to the engine. It's still an all original #'s matching car so if I ruined this engine it would kill me. Although still something doesn't make sense with only 30k miles on it. Maybe I should I contact GM and tell them I want some sort of special warranty policy on this lol

batchman · 09-05-2013

Maybe it's bronze, any bronze bushings in these?

Hmmm,
- Jeff

90ZR1#1221 · 09-05-2013

Getting ready to drop the pan on this beast. Any tips for getting it off. Looks like maybe some oil cooler lines might need to be moved? Looks like pretty much all 10 and 12 mill bolts

Dynomite · 09-05-2013

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Originally Posted by 90ZR1#1221

Getting ready to drop the pan on this beast. Any tips for getting it off. Looks like maybe some oil cooler lines might need to be moved? Looks like pretty much all 10 and 12 mill bolts

Three 8mm bolt heads (6 mm bolts) in front and the rest 10 mm bolt heads (8 mm bolts).
The trick is getting to the three in front....remove the motor mount bolts and jack up the engine just a bit to remove those three bolts.

90ZR1#1221 · 09-05-2013

It looks like the cross member those motor mounts ride on will unbolt and come out.... Or is that going to cause me more problems? Also where is a good place to put the jack to lift the engine up, is there any clearance issues? I found the problem to my oil leak too. The pan was probably missing five or six bolts.

Dynomite · 09-05-2013

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Originally Posted by 90ZR1#1221

It looks like the cross member those motor mounts ride on will unbolt and come out.... Or is that going to cause me more problems? Also where is a good place to put the jack to lift the engine up, is there any clearance issues? I found the problem to my oil leak too. The pan was probably missing five or six bolts.

Now that will cause an oil leak for sure....I have never heard of missing oil pan bolts before in that quantity. If that many missing, most of the rest must have been very loose.

Just get a short 2x4 and place between jack and oil pan. Jack up on oil pan. I never have removed those cross members but as I recall, others might have.

rkreigh · 09-06-2013

little 7 mm bolts up front are tough to get to. I unbolted the k member and was able to reach them, but jacking up the motor is a good idea and will make it a snap

Dynomite · 09-06-2013

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Originally Posted by rkreigh

little 7 mm bolts up front are tough to get to. I unbolted the k member and was able to reach them, but jacking up the motor is a good idea and will make it a snap

Me thinks on the front of the oil pan the bolts are 8 mm heads and 6 mm bolts......three on 90'-92' and four on 93'-95' .......but might be mistaken

The two Engines 90'-92' and 93'-95' take a different Oil Pan and Gasket (I think).

Jerry's New Oil pan gaskets
Note Jerry's Part #10106189 Seal, for use with the 90'-92' gasket Oil Pump Suction Tube (o-ring)
Later Motor has NO Pickup Tube "O" Ring

90ZR1#1221 · 09-06-2013

Well I brought my old oil filter in to work today (I sell construction equipment) had one of the mechanics look at and apparently all the crap in the filter was paint from the hacksaw blade I used to cut the filter open with... Rookie mistake I know. But there was no metal in the media itself. I had them use a filter cutter to cut open the other filter I put on it to flush the engine and once again there was no metal. I just got to get those last three little bolts out and the pan will be ready to come off but the guys in my shop just think I'm being overly dramatic.

09-04-2013	#21
A26B Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Arcadia,OK Posts: 3,372	Re: engine wear My reaction is the same as Dynomite's. There's only two (not one) sources of copper and that's rod pin bushings & crank bearings. I would hope the "white" metal is babbit flakes rather than aluminum. If it turns out to be bearing material, the saving grace is that the crank will probably be OK. The real question is why? Considering the oil flow path, the crank is oiled from the inside-out and oil is filtered before going to any part of the engine, less & except the oil pump. So, it's very unlikely that any of the metallic debris, of a damaging size, could end up hurting anything else. I have seen thrust bearings where the flange is nearly broken off. The way they were made with "no" radius where the flange is attached to the main bearing itself, is not so cool. Please keep us posted on the findings. If you have to go into the engine, locating the cause is imperative. __________________ Jerry Downey JERRYS LT5 GASKETS & PARTS http://www.jerrysgaskets.com 1994 *ZR-1, Black/Black, Lingenfelter Aerobody, 416cu in, 3.91 gears, coil-over susp, Brembo brakes, etc. 2016 Black-Red, 3LT-Z51 Auto 8-speed. Last edited by A26B; 09-05-2013 at 03:56 PM. Reason: add source of metals containing copper*

09-04-2013	#22
90ZR1#1221 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: akron OH Posts: 38	Re: engine wear I was thinking main bearings/thrust washers. Ill get the pan dropped tomorrow and probably pull the air plenum and check the cam housings and valves stuff like that till I get the results of my oil analysis. Bright side is I think I caught this before any major damage was done to the engine. It's still an all original #'s matching car so if I ruined this engine it would kill me. Although still something doesn't make sense with only 30k miles on it. Maybe I should I contact GM and tell them I want some sort of special warranty policy on this lol

09-05-2013	#23
batchman Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I live at Devens, one run at a time Posts: 455	Re: engine wear Maybe it's bronze, any bronze bushings in these? Hmmm, - Jeff __________________ [I]91 ZR-1 #1840, autocrossing in SCCA BSP. FIC S/S's DRM chip/Watson/Borla/lid/LW batt&headlights, springs, shocks, pads & lines, quick rack & Turn One, camber brace, 32/22mm sways, A/C halfway deleted 17x11 & 12 CCW's, 315 & 335 Hoosier A6s [/I]

09-05-2013	#24
90ZR1#1221 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: akron OH Posts: 38	Re: engine wear Getting ready to drop the pan on this beast. Any tips for getting it off. Looks like maybe some oil cooler lines might need to be moved? Looks like pretty much all 10 and 12 mill bolts

09-05-2013	#26
90ZR1#1221 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: akron OH Posts: 38	Re: engine wear It looks like the cross member those motor mounts ride on will unbolt and come out.... Or is that going to cause me more problems? Also where is a good place to put the jack to lift the engine up, is there any clearance issues? I found the problem to my oil leak too. The pan was probably missing five or six bolts.

09-06-2013	#28
rkreigh Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alex VA Posts: 1,087	Re: engine wear little 7 mm bolts up front are tough to get to. I unbolted the k member and was able to reach them, but jacking up the motor is a good idea and will make it a snap __________________ 95 390 LPE ZR1 (505 rwhp) LSV = Lingenfelter Super Vette Twin Turbo 2003 Z06 (800 RWHP)

09-06-2013	#30
90ZR1#1221 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: akron OH Posts: 38	Re: engine wear Well I brought my old oil filter in to work today (I sell construction equipment) had one of the mechanics look at and apparently all the crap in the filter was paint from the hacksaw blade I used to cut the filter open with... Rookie mistake I know. But there was no metal in the media itself. I had them use a filter cutter to cut open the other filter I put on it to flush the engine and once again there was no metal. I just got to get those last three little bolts out and the pan will be ready to come off but the guys in my shop just think I'm being overly dramatic.