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Hog 01-07-2015 05:34 AM

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I wonder if eliminating the common plenum entirely would be of benefit? This would require 8 t-bodies. and 8 velocity stacks. I always wondered how those systems on teh older hot rods really worked. Individual runner length is easily individualized.

Complex as all heck, but would look cool poking through the hood!

Paul Workman 01-07-2015 06:20 AM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
Yup! A sheet metal box(s) with shortish curved (funnel) runners... I haven't crunched the numbers yet for the runner/air box dimensions yet, but a Toledo hood (or the like) is prolly going to be part of the answer.

LGAFF 01-07-2015 06:54 AM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tccrab (Post 218186)
Lee:

What about those people who put on the phenolic plenum spacers some years ago complaining about rubbing holes in the hood?
If I recall correctly, those spacers were only 1/2 inch or so, surely what you've got planned will need more room than that.

'Crabs


I wonder if the runners are hitting, I am only raising the box...

As far as run a velocity stack setup, shorter runners make it more difficult to keep the car at idle.

Dime 01-07-2015 10:10 AM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
It makes me happy to think that an aftermarket plenum may one day be made available by a savvy member of the brotherhood that will give our cars even more umph. :happy1:

Bob Eyres 01-08-2015 11:07 AM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tccrab (Post 218186)
Lee:

What about those people who put on the phenolic plenum spacers some years ago complaining about rubbing holes in the hood?
If I recall correctly, those spacers were only 1/2 inch or so, surely what you've got planned will need more room than that.

'Crabs

I'm one of those people. They're still on there. The spacers are only 1/4", and it does rub enough to take the under hood paint off at the front.

This sounds like a job for one of those 3D printers...a big one that can use some heat resistant plastic.

LGAFF 01-08-2015 11:35 AM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
What part of the plenum is rubbing?

XfireZ51 01-08-2015 11:49 AM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Workman (Post 218193)
Yup! A sheet metal box(s) with shortish curved (funnel) runners... I haven't crunched the numbers yet for the runner/air box dimensions yet, but a Toledo hood (or the like) is prolly going to be part of the answer.

Pete used a Hogan sheetmetal plenum on Kevin's 441 several years ago. I believe it really didn't offer much improvement.

LGAFF 01-08-2015 12:11 PM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 218224)
Pete used a Hogan sheetmetal plenum on Kevin's 441 several years ago. I believe it really didn't offer much improvement.


I wonder if the volume was sufficient...also velocity stacks might have helped flow....intake runners that share a wall with the plenum generally have flow opportunities....

-=Jeff=- 01-08-2015 12:33 PM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 218224)
Pete used a Hogan sheetmetal plenum on Kevin's 441 several years ago. I believe it really didn't offer much improvement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LGAFF (Post 218225)
I wonder if the volume was sufficient...also velocity stacks might have helped flow....intake runners that share a wall with the plenum generally have flow opportunities....


But that Hogans was a short runner intake.. Lee is looking to keep the runners as they are and expand the 'box' if I understand it correctly

LGAFF 01-08-2015 01:32 PM

Re: Frankenplenum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Jeff=- (Post 218227)
But that Hogans was a short runner intake.. Lee is looking to keep the runners as they are and expand the 'box' if I understand it correctly

Correct, in terms of the plenum volume I had 2 Engineers from the program tell me thats were the most potential was; and in looking at intake development on Porsche, Audi, and the Coyote motor I saw comments on flow improvements on "unshrouding" runners from an intake ceiling/wall.

I will also add that there was a ZR-1 race car with a raised roof plenum in another country with a documented 15hp increase due unshrouding of the roof side of the runner.


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