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Roadster 04-28-2017 02:36 PM
Re: Minimum Air Idle Adjustment
 
Just removed the TB, on my way to get the 7mm hex bolt...making progress....

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BlackZR1 08-07-2021 09:46 PM
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I know this is an old thread but just went through this procedure and it worked great for me so wanted to give a shout out to Dom and Phil for the procedure and tips. Thanks!
The only exception I ran into is that the 25mm long Hex head idle stop screw was a bit long in my case and the head was barely clearing one of the TB brackets when the throttles are almost full open so I used a 20mm long screw.
When I started, my IAC counts were 30 at idle. Now they are 10-12.
Thanks again.

XfireZ51 08-08-2021 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackZR1 (Post 325910)
I know this is an old thread but just went through this procedure and it worked great for me so wanted to give a shout out to Dom and Phil for the procedure and tips. Thanks!
The only exception I ran into is that the 25mm long Hex head idle stop screw was a bit long in my case and the head was barely clearing one of the TB brackets when the throttles are almost full open so I used a 20mm long screw.
When I started, my IAC counts were 30 at idle. Now they are 10-12.
Thanks again.
Thanks Roger. Do you note any difference in idle or driving around?

BlackZR1 08-08-2021 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 325924)
Thanks Roger. Do you note any difference in idle or driving around?
A couple weeks ago the car died a couple of times when coming to a stop which never happened before. I cleaned the IAC pintle and seat. Checked IAC counts at idle - was 30 which is high. Good news, high counts suggests no vacuum leaks but high counts at 650 rpm means the primary throttle blade opening at idle could be a tad too small which could explain stall when coming to a stop.
After finishing the idle setup yesterday, went for a drive today and drove perfectly - idle did not drop too low when taking my foot off the pedal and never died after an hour of driving and probably 2 dozen stops.
One more thing I will mention is that my original throttle stop screw measured 7.6mm extension from the mounting tab. I installed the new Hex head screw about 8mm extension (because I wanted more air through primary blade/less IAC counts) and this put me within a half-turn of my final adjustment.

scorp508 06-24-2024 12:37 PM
Re: Minimum Air Idle Adjustment
 
Digging up an old thread as I work through some stalling issues when coming to a stop before I go grab a data log. I realize this may be a "it depends" question, but is there a rough number of IAC steps one should expect to see with foot off the throttle at idle? I see BlackZR1 went from ~30 to 10-12 after following the procedure.

Thank you.

XfireZ51 06-24-2024 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Roadster (Post 261172)
Will get the 7mm hex head bolt later in the AM.
So the best way to do this is leave the throttle cable assembly attached to the TB, and remove as one unit, and just work on the TB in the engine compartment.

Another member also suggested the same.....thx....
U want enough IAC steps so ECM has room to ?catch? idle drop, but not too many steps to where most of idle air is coming thru IAC opening. I typically shoot for 10-15 steps. One other step I do is to modify the IAC Min Air table in the calibration to match what the actual IAC counts are in operation.

scorp508 06-24-2024 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 343780)
U want enough IAC steps so ECM has room to ?catch? idle drop, but not too many steps to where most of idle air is coming thru IAC opening. I typically shoot for 10-15 steps. One other step I do is to modify the IAC Min Air table in the calibration to match what the actual IAC counts are in operation.

On a cold start when the desired idle is still 1250 it looks like IAC is at 110.

Once warm and desired idle of 850 the steps are around 30-40.

scorp508 06-25-2024 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 343780)
One other step I do is to modify the IAC Min Air table in the calibration to match what the actual IAC counts are in operation.
It would appear I don't have this table as the only IAC related thing in my XDF is "IAC Position vs. Coolant Temp". My understanding (possibly wrong) is the IAC vs. CTS is only used during Open Loop. However, open loop does seem to be where most though not all of my stall issues take place.

Looks like it is in my best interests to go through the IAC procedure anyway and see where I land.

Currently it is mostly the same as the stock BMCB with a couple changes.

Code:
Deg C / Deg F / Steps
-40  / -40  / 95
-16  /  3  / 78 (Stock BCMB value is 90)
  8  /  46  / 51 (Stock BCMB value is 32)
 32  /  90  / 24 (Stock BCMB value is 12)
 56  / 133  / 10
 80  / 176  / 10
104  / 219  / 13
128  / 262  / 25
152  / 306  / 45
Is this table read as a base value, or in other words, "no less than this many steps" when the table is being utilized?

scorp508 07-30-2024 01:48 PM
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One small note for any future people. I was having trouble with this procedure as I didn't use the correct ALDL pin combo on my 94 to extend the pintle. I needed to use pins 4 & 6 to use the Service Engine Soon light to flash. Only this combo fully extended the IAC pintle on my 94. The other ALDL pin combos for CCM on the digital dash or the flashing Service Ride Control light do not work to extend it.

tpepmeie 07-30-2024 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by scorp508 (Post 344322)
One small note for any future people. I was having trouble with this procedure as I didn't use the correct ALDL pin combo on my 94 to extend the pintle. I needed to use pins 4 & 6 to use the Service Engine Soon light to flash. Only this combo fully extended the IAC pintle on my 94. The other ALDL pin combos for CCM on the digital dash or the flashing Service Ride Control light do not work to extend it.


I feel like I knew this at one time, but was this a model year change, regarding the ALDL pin combination for the IaC? If so, when did it change?



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