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Kevin 02-12-2014 02:23 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
they don't have to be driveable, they just have to be showable. all the body work is available

BigJohn 02-12-2014 02:47 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
That is where my car was displayed!!!!!

I hope the hole doesn't grow.

Schrade 02-12-2014 03:31 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by We Gone (Post 195530)
Looking at the pics I sure don't see any rebar or wire in the floor? Also looks thin I would think the floor would have been 8-10" thick or more under the spire.

This snappic looks fake. Both cars look like models.

http://corvettemuseum.org/enews/imag...e/DSC_1259.jpg

Blue Flame Restorations 02-12-2014 03:35 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Schrade (Post 195582)
This snappic looks fake. Both cars look like models.

http://corvettemuseum.org/enews/imag...e/DSC_1259.jpg

I double dog dare you to walk off that edge!!!:p

Kevin 02-12-2014 03:37 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
http://i.imgur.com/hP3JKrY.jpg

I think the zr-1 is done for

Blue Flame Restorations 02-12-2014 03:38 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 195585)
http://i.imgur.com/hP3JKrY.jpg

I think the zr-1 is done for

I'd sure like to tackle it......;)

FU 02-12-2014 03:40 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Speedster in the background ?

Jagdpanzer 02-12-2014 03:47 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
WOW, they look like my Hot Wheel cars I played with in the dirt back when I was a young kid

Karl 02-12-2014 04:00 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
:-(

edram454 02-12-2014 04:00 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
yeah speedster in the background. I would have no problem digging it out, hiring a crane and yanking it out on a flatbed lifted by the crane. That car is priceless and would certainly restore it. It has some dings and maybe some cracked glass but it is all fixable. what a shame. too bad some other less important vettes werent swallowed up. why did it have to be a zr1!!! TAKE 10 MID YEARS.. OR 30 STRAIGHT AXLES..anything but a one of one zr1 spyder. I am flying my flag at half staff.

LGAFF 02-12-2014 04:01 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Wonder if the museum itself has sinkhole coverage for the building....earth movement is excluded under most base policies. I am not referring to the cars but the building structure.

Kevin 02-12-2014 04:03 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
footage of the hole forming http://youtu.be/IukDWhf7U9I

ZZZZZR1 02-12-2014 04:07 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
It's scared how close the hole is to the last ZR-1......

Glad nobody was hurt but pray they take the cars out and
restore them

:cheers:

David

RHanselman 02-12-2014 04:18 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 195586)
I'd sure like to tackle it......;)

I can see a whole lot of speedster molds being made :-)

I'm sure Adam has them all insured...

Glad no one was hurt... Sad day indeed...

XfireZ51 02-12-2014 04:46 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Overhead of the carnage. Drone technology.

http://youtu.be/W5FG9_mGWPo

Schrade 02-12-2014 04:46 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Drone footage. Doesn't look so fake ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FG9_mGWPo


ed.:
Beat me to the keypunch there D...



Quote:

Originally Posted by FU (Post 195587)
Speedster in the background ?

Black one looks hopefully like dirt damage only... Blue one doesn't look TOO bad either.

http://i.imgur.com/hP3JKrY.jpg

JimZRyd 02-12-2014 04:57 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
I was at work today when I learned of this tragedy. I am in shock! I love that Spyder!!! Such a shame. Wouldn't hesitate to volunteer to help dig those beauties out!:(

GTOger 02-12-2014 05:03 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
If an old Corvette is basically like a hole in the ground that you throw money int, it's fitting that a Corvette Museum would be an even bigger hole in the ground that you throw Corvettes into.

What, too soon?

Tripler 02-12-2014 05:20 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
No problem Capatain !!! We can buff those scratches out :) :) :)

JimZRyd 02-12-2014 05:24 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Just heard that all the remaining cars have been removed from the dome room! Good to know we wont lose anymore history, at least not right away.

Dynomite 02-12-2014 05:27 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 195598)
Overhead of the carnage. Drone technology.

http://youtu.be/W5FG9_mGWPo

Holy Crap............there is some major water flow somewhere under there as the tunneling indicates.

Tripler 02-12-2014 07:19 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Huge sinkhole area :( :( :(


http://kgs.uky.edu/kgsweb/olops/pub/kgs/ic04_12.pdf

LGAFF 02-12-2014 07:22 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Double Whammy....lots of limestone and lots of old mines....we typically do not see sink hole claims from KY..mostly from FL.

efnfast 02-12-2014 07:25 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
That was cool, shame he didn't know how to fly it.

ZR-1 Black Beauty 02-12-2014 08:26 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Sink hole area. Look at Mammoth Cave just down the road.

Real shame. Hope for the best.

TomZR1 02-12-2014 08:33 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Sad day for corvette museum and all vette owners,hopefully they can restore them if not r i p:(

White Bullet 02-12-2014 09:08 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
It is sad. Earlier today when I first saw the headline I thought "man some dealership here in FL just lost some inventory". Man I was wrong. I can remember having dinner in there and guess it was not my time. That looks like a lot of work to fix this if it is even possible. Good luck making it happen. :fahne:

Racinfan83 02-12-2014 09:09 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
I'm far from an expert on sinkholes - but I do have some experience with excavation and such. That does not appear from the pics/video to be a water problem from the museum itself as some speculated (water lines etc)
That looks like a good old-fashioned big time limestone cave in sinkhole. The dirt in the hole appears to be dry - and the rock looks to be fractured like a huge collapse into an underground cavern WAY below what you see... Will be interesting to see where they go from here...

edram454 02-12-2014 09:27 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Racinfan83 (Post 195645)
I'm far from an expert on sinkholes - but I do have some experience with excavation and such. That does not appear from the pics/video to be a water problem from the museum itself as some speculated (water lines etc)
That looks like a good old-fashioned big time limestone cave in sinkhole. The dirt in the hole appears to be dry - and the rock looks to be fractured like a huge collapse into an underground cavern WAY below what you see... Will be interesting to see where they go from here...

Nice observation. I hope they can get that zr1 spyder out. that was such a beautiful car. I was there in 2009 drooling all over that car. I needed a bib while I was there.

ed ramos #3028

Mystic ZR-1 02-12-2014 09:47 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
...hope the dyno sheets didn't fall into the hole.
That would certainly put an end to the dyno sheet "problem"...

JThomas 02-12-2014 10:07 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
The National Corvette Museum received a call at 5:44am from their security company alerting them of their motion detectors going off in the Skydome area of the Museum. Upon arrival it was discovered that a sinkhole had collapsed within the Museum. No one was in or around the Museum at the time. The Bowling Green Fire Department arrived on the scene and secured the area. The Fire Department estimated the size of the hole as 40 feet across and 25-30 feet deep.
Eight Corvettes were affected by this incident. Those cars include:
  • 1993 ZR-1 Spyder on loan from General Motors
  • 2009 ZR1 “Blue Devil” on loan from General Motors
The other six vehicles were owned by the National Corvette Museum including:
  • 1962 Black Corvette
  • 1984 PPG Pace Car
  • 1992 White 1 Millionth Corvette
  • 1993 Ruby Red 40th Anniversary Corvette
  • 2001 Mallett Hammer Z06 Corvette
  • 2009 White 1.5 Millionth Corvette
None of the cars affected were on loan from individuals. The Skydome exhibit area of the Museum is a separate structure connected to the main Museum. A structural engineer has been on-site to assess the existing damage and stability of the surrounding areas. The structural engineering firm did determine that the perimeter of the Skydome is stable. The museum has worked with its insurance adjustor to retain a construction manager and they will be coordinating all work moving forward.
The Museum has been closed to the public for the day to allow careful assessments to the situation.
With the 20th Anniversary celebration, Grand Opening of the NCM Motorsports Park, and the National Corvette Caravan coming August 27-30, there is a lot to be excited about in 2014, and the museum looks forward to getting the Skydome repaired and reopened very soon.
The museum will be open on Thursday for normal operations, although the skydome area will be blocked off and not accessible for viewing. Numerous engineers, geo-technical experts, and karst/sinkhole experts have been there throughout the day and they feel the rest of the building is safe. While this is a tragic event and there is a lot to do to repair the skydome, we are very thankful that it happened at a time when no one was here or injured.
The National Corvette Museum has insurance on both the cars and the property. Their insurance adjuster has also been there and is working with them on the next steps. The NCM has retained the firm who built the 2009 building expansion, as their construction managers for this project. They will work with the foundation engineers and structural engineers to determine the best plan to stabilize the surrounding areas, repair the hole and everything else.
The NCM will continue normal operations, as much as possible, and will welcome visitors and members to the 20th Anniversary celebration as planned.
There is a link on the homepage of the NCM website to various photos and videos including the security camera video of the actual collapse up until the power was cut to the camera system. There is also mini helicopter footage filmed from inside the hole. www.corvettemuseum.org
All cars that were on display in the Museum's Skydome, not affected by the sinkhole, have been safely removed.


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taximan 02-12-2014 10:32 PM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LGAFF (Post 195591)
Wonder if the museum itself has sinkhole coverage for the building....earth movement is excluded under most base policies. I am not referring to the cars but the building structure.


Lee,

I know Marsh writes the cover for the museum. I am sure they had all bases covered with a property DIC, incl. quake, flood, and earth subsizement.

My big ? is what agreement GM had with the museum on those cars ? Since GM is self insured for the first $1.0mm, I am guessing the NCM assumes all responsibility from the General.

And since autos are generally excluded from coverage of property of others, that should be interesting.

Wouldnt look real good for GM to sue the NCM.

I left a message for Adam Boca, but I dont think he's involved with NCMs own insurance.

BigJohn 02-13-2014 06:52 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic ZR-1 (Post 195653)
...hope the dyno sheets didn't fall into the hole.
That would certainly put an end to the dyno sheet "problem"...


Wy?
You will never see them anyway!!!

:(

GOLDCYLON 02-13-2014 08:12 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
I would not be surprised if a lot of the building beyond the dome is compromised. If thats the case it may be a resite and rebuild. And it would be cheaper. GC

ZZZZZR1 02-13-2014 08:24 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Latest from Wendell. VERY GOOD NEWS!!!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...psbbfe655a.jpg

:cheers:

David

Dynomite 02-13-2014 08:50 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GOLDCYLON (Post 195672)
I would not be surprised if a lot of the building beyond the dome is compromised. If thats the case it may be a resite and rebuild. And it would be cheaper. GC

You may have a point :icon_stud
This may be very interesting as there may be many buildings in the area sitting on large very deep undetected caves which have taken hundreds or even thousands of years to develop.

Sink Holes may take hundreds or even thousands of years to develop

Paul Workman 02-13-2014 08:54 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
More than one sinkhole opened at the same time in the area, according to local reports. This email sent to me by a friend in KY.

______________________

Good Evening Mr. Paul:

I red about this in todays paper, & it was all over the TV News all day. Our son lives
& works in Bowling Green. He told Maggie this evening that there were two more
sink hole in line with this one that occured about the same time.One was in a socker
field, & the other was at a site of a nw business being constucted. Sounds like maybe
a small earthquake ma have occurred. That is really a shame that the corvettes were
involved in this mess. I have had several over the years a few years back in my much
younger days. Hy, its past my bedtime. Later.

undercover 02-13-2014 08:55 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Question is - will you ever feel comfortable parking your Z in that parking lot?

Meanmyz 02-13-2014 09:06 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by undercover (Post 195677)
Question is - will you ever feel comfortable parking your Z in that parking lot?

Yes! Your odds are much better there than everytime you drive your car out on a public road.

GOLDCYLON 02-13-2014 09:28 AM

Re: Corvette Museum
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by efnfast (Post 195622)
That was cool, shame he didn't know how to fly it.


My thoughts as well. More footage of the operator lol than the damage


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