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our ZR-1 without Dash too !!! http://images.guestbook.onetwomax.de/smilies/046.gif
http://www.wayneswheels.net/ZR1CORVETTE.jpg http://www.fwcc-in.org/Poster_ZR-1_Corvette.jpg http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...di-zr1/0zr.jpg ok,you want more?? here.... :D http://www.corvettemagazine.com/1999/oct99/zr1/zrp1.jpg |
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again NO DASH but only SLASH..... :D
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...di-zr1/01z.gif ZR1 was truly.... http://www.corvettemagazine.com/1999/dec99/zr1/z1p1.jpg |
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Thank you, Hadi.
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I voted yes and here is the verbage going along with it.
The current ZR-1Net does a wonderful job of preserving the ZR-1 heritage, providing a location where C4 ZR-1 owners can look for help resolving issues, enhancing their cars. The forum atmosphere is excellent, many members are personal friends (with some entertaining exceptions), it reminds me of a "small college" where you're not just a number. Over the years I learned a lot and I'm hoping I was able to help a few as well. I would love to see a separate section for the C6 ZR1 as long as it does not interfere or inhibit the current mission. Both cars represent the ultimate Corvette experience... Before action is taken, the logistics should be evaluated (server capacity, bandwidth, moderator availability)... In either case, I'm hoping the comparison of ZR1's does not become constant bickering and alienation of members. |
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Voted no[-X , we have nothing in common.
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I said it on the CF, and I'll say it here... For the well-being of the ZR-1 Net Registry, we *must* include the new ZR1(the old ones should be welcome as well, but they are so rare, it's really a non-issue)... I've been around ZR-1s longer than many of you(as the old-timers here can attest). The ZR-1 was my dream car at 16, and I bought one when I was 23 and just out of college. Nothing in my mind, not even this new ZR1, will eclipse what the ZR-1 did for me. The 1990 ZR-1 inspired me to go on to college, and subsequently achieve success in my profession(just to make the damned payment out of college, I had to succeed;) ). FWIW, my profession is marketing and sales... And I'm telling you guys this: You want the ZR-1 Net Registry Event in Bowling Green to be like it was back in the mid to late 90s?(those were some of the best Corvette events I've *ever* attended). You want several ZR-1 Net Registry meets around the country each year(ala the original ZR-1 Registry/Net)?? *INCLUDE* the new ZR1... Period Everyone of you who says that the new car isn't the same, etc, are absolutely correct; I do not dispute it. But for the long-term success of the ZR-1 Net Registry, the answer to this question has only one response: YES! Our cars share the same nomenclature as the new Super Vette. Even GM(and GM's advertising for the Corvette has faltered in recent years) is playing off our Legendary ZR-1s!!! Imitation is the finest form of flattery. Further, *someone* with our group(Ron, Dwight?) should contact Chevrolet and figure out a way to have a ZR-1 Net Registry membership included with the purchase of a new ZR1. My Dad still has the '63 he bought new and that purchase included a free year subscription of Corvette News. You know what? Dad has every issue of Corvette News(now Corvette Quarterly) since. Why? It's much easier to have someone renew a membership, than to sign up the first time(human nature). By linking Our Registry to the new car, it could prove a financial windfall that hasn't been seen since the demise of our beloved ZR-1 in 1995. That would allow us to do more things(such as pay for Jingles to come to BG for the event and not be a financial burden), lobby for better pricing with vendors(more members, more incentives for vendors to give us better price, ie, strength in numbers), etc. I could go on and on about the positives of this, but anyone who looks at this objectively(and not with your heart, because I do understand those who pound their chest saying "C4 ZR-1s are the real KOTH!" Part of me feels that way too) can't argue with this logic. Regardless of ZR-1 Net Registry being Non Profit, it's still a business. And including the new ZR1 makes business sense. Brian A. 1990 ZR-1 12.09@118 01 Z06 not quite stock |
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Brian,
OK. let them put the Dash and they are welcome! http://images.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/rofl.gif |
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I say NO
This is the ZR-1 forum out registry forum the specifics of it are related to the registry of our ZR-1 to talk about our ZR-1 and not the ZR1 with a Fan connected to it and a Silly *** glass hood. |
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I just picked up a copy of the Feb 08 Road and Track. Guess what was on the cover? You got it, the new ZR1. There were several articles regarding our "Old" ZR-1, and the relationship between the two. While the numbers are different, the tone of the articles parallel the articles from 1989! I really believe that this new Z will bring more attention to our C4 Z's.
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Well said Brian. I'll just add that it isn't simply a matter of good business. The 09 is the next iteration of our C4 ZR1. That it doesn't have 4 cams and 32 valves doesn't change the fact GM chose to "honor" it with the KOTH name. Its the way GM decided to do it. Its their car, its their choice and we can't deny it.
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As an example, if there was a registry for the ~300 1953 cars, would you say they should include the 2053 MY car when it comes out, in order to have long-term success? They are both '53s. I realize this example is contrived, but I can't think of a good real-world one. But I'm sure there are groups/organizations/registries of long-discontinued cars. And they keep going without needing to find "new blood" in the way of unrelated current model cars. As long as there are owners of 1990-1995 ZR-1's who are interested in keeping their cars on the road, there will be a need for the ZR-1 Net Registry. If there comes a point where this isn't true, then who cares if the registry persists because it is propped up by C6 ZR1 owners? What I mean is, if the registry dies, it will be because there isn't a need for it by LT5/ZR-1 owners. In which case, let it die. I doubt that will happen though. |
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I appreciate your thoughts, but we'll have to agree to disagree.... IMHO, some people just aren't thinking objectively, merely looking at it from a personal love of the ZR-1. That's admirable, to a point. The bottom line is: If we aren't accepting of change, we will suffer. This holds true in personal relationships, business, really any part of our lives. If you aren't changing, you are dying! That's a fact! I can tell this will turn into a urination contest shortly, so I guess if the majority rules to not include(and embrace) the new ZR1, then rest assured, your ending scenario will play out. And to me, that's the greatest travesty of all. A great organization potentially dwindling to nothing due to a refusal to accept change. :cry: :cry: Brian A. 1990 ZR-1 12.09@118 01 Z06 note quite stock |
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Hey Carter:
I don't believe that I attacked anyone personally in my posts, merely thoughts/opinions. I don't appreciate the personal attack, nor the reference to Hillary... Brian A. 1990 ZR-1 12.09@118 01 Z06 not quite stock |
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Was just funnin with ya. Guess you can't take a joke so never will again to you.:worship:
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Long term success thought you were smarter then that,the Buick GN's are still going strong. Financial windfall:rolleyes: this is why we pay to the ZR1NetRegistry. Remember when most paid and got screwed $50 from LT5Registry (my self included) so if the ZR1NetRegistry needs more money they can raise membership fees and keep it private. Brian please explain to the newbies why we are called ZR1NetRegistry you've been around a long time. Maybe only founding members should have the right to vote on this. The ZR1NetRegistry is getting better then ever,let's not get too greedy. Another good reason i don't want the new ZR1 in here it will get a lot of venders/sponsors and become a corporate run forum and the members won't matter anymore just like the other forums. If the owners of the ZR1NetRegistry need more money they can start a new C6ZR1Forum and charge them a membership fee and get the sponsors over there. Why would we help GM promote there new ZR1 when they screwed the old ZR-1 owners with bad windshields and left us hanging on parts. We could always get better vender pricing if we stick togather i have done a lot of research on some parts for our cars that would cost a 1/10 of what they are selling right now but i noticed nobody is/was interested so i gave up. I'm all in for the new ZR1 to join us at BG gatherings or any ZR-1/Corvette gatherings. Again the 2 cars have absolutly nothing in common they are gallaxies apart. Maybe the new ZR1 guys can help us find our 32 pushrods.:) Pete |
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Katrina was a great travesty not a corvette forum going under or "potentially dwindleling" Brian, for US Vice President with Hillary as president :) Brian this one is not a joke i'm for real you got my vote. Pete Disclaimer:The above is a joke. |
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Pete:
I can laugh at that, as you were smiling when you typed it...;) You aren't the first who said I should get into politics, and probably not the last...;);) Re: a Corvette Forum going under being the greatest travesty, that was of course embellished to make a point. FWIW, I'm not talking about a new ZR1 section on this forum. I'm talking about including the new ZR1 in all that encompasses being a member of the ZR1Net Registry. You make good points in your argument, but they are not objective, they are based on your feelings(GM screwed us by stopping making parts, etc). Objectively, it makes sense, but then again, if I'm being compared to Hillary, then perhaps I'm also delusional....;) Brian A |
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Personly , Iam not going to vote for Hilla :wink:
not because she isnt good , but because i am Republican candidate in Kuwait county! :mrgreen: http://www.crwflags.com/art/miscflags/republican75.gif |
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Okay I'm a noobie....Z owner since 12/04 and for sure don't know anything that the real senior members from the original LT5/ZR-1 Registry are talking about with respect to it's demise....so I'll tend to agree with the thought that the real senior members have voting rights on this. Me I just joined the NetRegistry in 12/04, so I am a noob.
I'll stand corrected in my "yes" vote. After reading this entire thread it seems that we are gonna let them join our Registry??? I thought we were just talking about letting those guys participate here in our forum, and hang with us at our events like BG/gathering and at our tent at Carlisle??? I can't change my "yes" vote but we really don't have anything in common except that we own vettes that have kind of the same name. Our NetRegistry is to help us owners keep our LT5 ZR-1's alive. The C6/ZR1 will never have the same parts issues we will have.....it's a sb chevy. :cheers: Tom |
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What you are saying is they should change by changing who their members are, though. In your relationship analogy, that's like me saying I need to change wives, when really what I need to do is change to continue to accomodate my wife. I don't think it's my love affair with the car clouding my vision, though. I think the registry exists to provide a service to LT5 owners. When the last LT5 is crushed and tossed in a landfill, the continual survival and financial success of the registry isn't a concern anymore. If the registry dies with the car, I don't see why that is a bad thing. If the goal were simply the survival of the organization, then let's really look at it objectively. Find a group with the highest likelihood of long-term financial success and invite them. Maybe go for cars that are ubiquitous to get the broadest pool of owners, like the ZR-1 / Civic Net Registry. Or go for the group with owners that are the most likely to spend lots of money on an exclusive club, the ZR-1 / Prancing Horse Net Registry or the ZR-1 / Hybrid Car Owners Net Registry. Like you said though, maybe we will just agree to disagree. I think this is something reasonable people can disagree on. I'll be a member here either way, as long as the registry fills a need I have. :cheers: |
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I agree, without forums for the '90-'95 Z's, what would we have? The new Z's will have plenty of support from GM and from other C6 owners.
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The argument "GM screwed us" so we should exclude the new ZR1 does not make sense to me.
GM makes business decisions continuously. They are made mostly with a single focus: bottom line. While I'm not too happy about some of the parts availability (and failure to accept responsibility for the substandard windshield) GM isn't trying to find creative ways to annoy the ZR-1 owners in purpose. GM's priority is to ever improve on their products to remain competitive. They did a marvelous job with the ZR-1 and again with the ZR1. To say that the two don't have anything in common is incorrect. If you think about it you'll find many things in common in fact. GM is targeting the SAME segment of buyers, no doubt. How cool will be to park a ZR1 next to your ZR-1! "Im feeling a little verclempt, ill give you a topic, grapenuts, not a grape, not a nut, discuss...." |
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