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A26B 07-26-2018 10:34 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
While I appreciate all the kind words, please know that Graham Behan is the guy who really deserves all the credit.

32valvZ 07-27-2018 03:04 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by A26B (Post 281903)
While I appreciate all the kind words, please know that Graham Behan is the guy who really deserves all the credit.

Though I'm sure he wouldn't remember me, I had the pleasure of meeting Graham at the 2009 C4 Gathering in BG. That's the year I believe he brought the LT-5 prototypes with him.... like 4 or 5 different ones with different intakes and such... really cool stuff.

At any rate, thanks to Graham as well!! You guys are the types who will keep the ZR-1 alive for a very long time to come.

:cheers:

jrd1990zr1 08-09-2018 12:12 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Jerry,

My Thanks to both you and Graham Behan for taking this project on and continuing to move it forward. :handshak:

grahambehan 08-10-2018 10:54 AM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
All, we are now at a stage where we are completing the final stages of software development error checking and reporting communications between the ECU and the new DIS module, as to ignition status etc. The module hardware has already been tested with simulated crank sensor inputs and the next step is to fire coils with an actual crank sensor input, will provide pictures and hopefully video when this event occurs. After that we will be testing on actual engine/vehicle.

Regards

Graham

-=Jeff=- 08-10-2018 10:56 AM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Great News Graham!!

I am curious as to what the price point of these units will be

grahambehan 08-10-2018 10:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Jeff=- (Post 282444)
Great News Graham!!

I am curious as to what the price point of these units will be

That's not my call, Jerry?????


Graham

spork2367 08-10-2018 10:59 AM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grahambehan (Post 282443)
All, we are now at a stage where we are completing the final stages of software development error checking and reporting communications between the ECU and the new DIS module, as to ignition status etc. The module hardware has already been tested with simulated crank sensor inputs and the next step is to fire coils with an actual crank sensor input, will provide pictures and hopefully video when this event occurs. After that we will be testing on actual engine/vehicle.

Regards

Graham

I was told by someone at DIYautotune that they cracked a dash on a ford and may take another stab at the unresolved dash issues on the zr1 megaquirt. Know anything about that?

-=Jeff=- 08-10-2018 11:01 AM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grahambehan (Post 282445)
That's not my call, Jerry?????


Graham

Yeah, it was directed towards Jerry, my guess is it is a bit early for the pricing

Quote:

Originally Posted by spork2367 (Post 282446)
I was told by someone at DIYautotune that they cracked a dash on a ford and may take another stab at the unresolved dash issues on the zr1 megaquirt. Know anything about that?

Torqhead has it working for the LT1 cars with their ECM. Wish TorqHead would do an LT5 ECM

grahambehan 08-10-2018 11:04 AM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spork2367 (Post 282446)
I was told by someone at DIYautotune that they cracked a dash on a ford and may take another stab at the unresolved dash issues on the zr1 megaquirt. Know anything about that?



I have heard that they have been reaching out to people that may be able to supply a dash and ccm for them to attempt to monitor coms and discover what the check sum and serial data packet responses are, not sure of progress.


Graham

A26B 08-10-2018 12:14 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Jeff=- (Post 282444)
Great News Graham!!

I am curious as to what the price point of these units will be

Jeff,
I simply do not know what a semi-guess price range is, let alone the final price point. Please rest assured, I will do the best I can when all the numbers are in. Right now, we are trying to wrap up the R part of R&D. Will then build a test unit, verify that, then build a few more beta test units for in-car testing. IF we get through those steps without major issues, we can finally look towards manufacturing. Manufacturing is quantity sensitive for costing, so that's a critical decision I will have to work through.

I know this is a long-winded answer to what appears to be a simple question, but it's all I've got now.... and a dedicated effort to resolve the availability issue at a feasible price point to keep the LT5 viable.

A26B 08-10-2018 12:15 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grahambehan (Post 282443)
All, we are now at a stage where we are completing the final stages of software development error checking and reporting communications between the ECU and the new DIS module, as to ignition status etc. The module hardware has already been tested with simulated crank sensor inputs and the next step is to fire coils with an actual crank sensor input, will provide pictures and hopefully video when this event occurs. After that we will be testing on actual engine/vehicle.

Regards

Graham

Thanks for posting Graham! !

jss06c6 08-10-2018 12:28 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grahambehan (Post 282448)
I have heard that they have been reaching out to people that may be able to supply a dash and ccm for them to attempt to monitor coms and discover what the check sum and serial data packet responses are, not sure of progress.


Graham

I've spoken to both MS and Torqhead. I have given Matt at MS the contact info for Torqhead. He said they were going to reach out to them. I'll see MS again at PRI this winter and press again. MS has the engine end down pretty well and Torqhead has the CCM data stream figured out. Really wish they would get together and sell their info to the one that wants to take an LT-5 ECM into the market!

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-=Jeff=- 08-10-2018 12:31 PM

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Jerry,

Thanks, I knew I was asking early.. I am sure you will do your best to meet the needs of owners

spork2367 08-10-2018 02:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jss06c6 (Post 282456)
I've spoken to both MS and Torqhead. I have given Matt at MS the contact info for Torqhead. He said they were going to reach out to them. I'll see MS again at PRI this winter and press again. MS has the engine end down pretty well and Torqhead has the CCM data stream figured out. Really wish they would get together and sell their info to the one that wants to take an LT-5 ECM into the market!

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I have one of the megasquirt LT5 ECUs. I would love to be able to update it for full functionality.

-=Jeff=- 08-10-2018 02:31 PM

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I like that TorqHead uses an OEM PCM, that gives us OBD2 functions/data

grahambehan 09-04-2018 07:13 PM

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Ignition module testing has now verified input and output signals to stock ecu with stock harness, picture attached.

Next to verify full range of ignition advance and retard per the limits in the 1995 calibration, using this because it is the maximum stock values.


Graham

-=Jeff=- 09-04-2018 08:11 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Graham, is that big header connector readily available from somewhere? I am in need of one for a project

PhillipsLT5 09-04-2018 09:31 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grahambehan (Post 283491)
Ignition module testing has now verified input and output signals to stock ecu with stock harness, picture attached.

Next to verify full range of ignition advance and retard per the limits in the 1995 calibration, using this because it is the maximum stock values.


Graham

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Hib Halverson 09-04-2018 10:43 PM

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With all this discussion of the DIS module, if it were me, I still had Barney and its DIS still worked, I'd get the plenum off, remove the DIS module, clean any dirt/debris of it, spray the connector with contact cleaner, clean the mounting surfaces on the module and the plenum, then apply fresh dielectric grease per the service manual.

The grease is important because its how the module sheds heat to the plenum.

Hopefully the replacement DIS module project undertaken by Jerry and Graham is successful.

XfireZ51 09-05-2018 01:45 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Hib,

Are u suggesting dielectric grease for mounting of ICM?
Its white heat sink grease. Just wanted to make sure that was clear.

A26B 09-05-2018 02:46 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Jeff=- (Post 283498)
Graham, is that big header connector readily available from somewhere? I am in need of one for a project


Salvaged from an OE DIS Module for R&D

spork2367 09-05-2018 03:24 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by A26B (Post 283533)
Salvaged from an OE DIS Module for R&D

So is the final version going to have a plug or pigtails?

A26B 09-05-2018 04:02 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spork2367 (Post 283535)
So is the final version going to have a plug or pigtails?


Our objective, if we can meet it, is to not mount the long connector on the board, but to bring out a pigtail with that connector on the end of the pigtail to facilitate an easier connection. That's down the road, we'll see when we get there.

grahambehan 09-05-2018 09:02 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Jeff=- (Post 283498)
Graham, is that big header connector readily available from somewhere? I am in need of one for a project

the male connector or the actual dis circuit board connector?

-=Jeff=- 09-05-2018 09:18 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Actual circuit board connector

A26B 03-21-2019 02:29 PM

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UPDATE! DIS MODULE SPARK TEST !UPDATE

A significant milestone has been achieved. Graham Behan will be along shortly to add more technical in formation, but in the mean time.......

Spark Load Test to 8,000 rpm. Circuitry passed with flying spark from terminal to terminal without any problem.

Still photo
https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-nkg9...0.1280.jpg?c=2


Video with sound
https://www.facebook.com/graham.beha...6792797688592/

-=Jeff=- 03-21-2019 04:00 PM

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great news Jerry

lfalzarano 03-21-2019 04:09 PM

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Congrats Jerry and Graham! Outstanding!!!!


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Ccmano 03-21-2019 05:38 PM

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Fantastic! Jerry, the Vimeo link is not working. Would luv to see it.
H
:cheers:

GOLDCYLON 03-21-2019 06:19 PM

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Awesome news :cheers:

A26B 03-21-2019 08:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccmano (Post 291128)
Fantastic! Jerry, the Vimeo link is not working. Would luv to see it.
H
:cheers:

Graham has it up on Facebook. I revised the link above to show the video there.

Ccmano 03-21-2019 08:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by A26B (Post 291137)
Graham has it up on Facebook. I revised the link above to show the video there.

Have you tried posting it to YouTube? I saw it on Graham’s Facebook post but the quality was poor. Good work can’t waut to see the final product.
H
:cheers:

jss06c6 03-21-2019 08:57 PM

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Stellar stuff guys!! Thanks for the persistence and innovation!

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BlackZR1 03-21-2019 10:51 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Excellent!! And a dramatic presentation!! Congrats!!

-=Jeff=- 03-22-2019 07:44 AM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Saw the video on the registry’s Facebook page.

What are the next steps?

Paul Workman 03-22-2019 10:09 AM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Congratz on a significant milestone! Packaging/cooling, duration, and temperature cycling tests to follow, I presume. But, this is one of the most significant breakthroughs for our cars in some time! This ONE item may have a truly significant impact on market value of our cars too! "Keep the Legend Alive!":dancing

:cheers:

grahambehan 03-22-2019 01:19 PM

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There are many steps to complete in the process of validating the hardware and software going forward. The video shows what actually is a pretty significant stress test for the circuits simulating a grounded plug wire. Next up will be connecting all coils and wires and debugging the code for the auto dwell function, followed by a more comprehensive test cycle with the simulator. Then connecting to a factory harness and ecu to test the est functionality. There will, no doubt, be issues found in the debugging process, but progress is being made in pretty significant steps right now.

Graham

A26B 03-22-2019 07:56 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
This is the prototype DIS Module circuit board & billet case, that is controlling the spark firing the ignition coils in the still photo and video shown in post #106 above. It interesting to see the spark at a single coil, during the demo from idle to 8,000 rpm.

https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-nkg9...0.1280.jpg?c=2

https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-nkg9...0.1280.jpg?c=2

alexco 03-22-2019 08:33 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Graham, I was wondering if you happen to know a part number for the mating connectors (male) for the two connectors (one 4 wire and one 2 wire) that plug into the coil pack? I would like to make a pig tail that plugs into the stock harness. Any help would be appreciated. thanks.


Alexco

-=Jeff=- 03-22-2019 09:49 PM

Re: ECM And Ignition Module Availability/ replacement
 
Jerry,

Will the final units be potted or conformal coated? Since it will live under the hood


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