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Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 04:07 PM
Big Brakes Needed
 
Hi all. I want to utilize either C5 or C6 ZO6 brakes. I know there are some caliper brackets and kits. I searched the threads but would just like to be able to take the list for what I want and order it.

I have GenII Dymags that will accept some huge brakes. I just don't know how huge????? They are 17x11 and 17x13 wheels.

I "think???" I want to stay with Corvette brake calipers and rotors, preferably.

Any advice?

Kevin 07-19-2011 04:18 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
years ago i posted a write up that i copied and pasted before i was banned at cf. dunno what happened to it

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 04:20 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 119146)
years ago i posted a write up that i copied and pasted before i was banned at cf. dunno what happened to it

So, we're both members of the Banned Camp at CF. hahahahahaha Been there, done that. :censored:

tomtom72 07-19-2011 04:45 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Hi Brett, Rick from NJ ( rickyrj1 ) has a line on a company that makes adapters to use the entire C6 ZO6 brake package.

:cheers:
Tom

Daniel_Mc 07-19-2011 05:26 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
The AP Racing Calipers in the ZR-1 are much bigger than the Wilwood's on the 89 and the GEN II's clear them with no problems. I feel like you will be just fine with the stock C6 Z06 stuff, rears especially!

Daniel

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 06:09 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtom72 (Post 119150)
Hi Brett, Rick from NJ ( rickyrj1 ) has a line on a company that makes adapters to use the entire C6 ZO6 brake package.

:cheers:
Tom

Tom, you are THE SOURCE for everything ZR1! thanks

Brett

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 06:10 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Mc (Post 119157)
The AP Racing Calipers in the ZR-1 are much bigger than the Wilwood's on the 89 and the GEN II's clear them with no problems. I feel like you will be just fine with the stock C6 Z06 stuff, rears especially!

Daniel

Daniel, I appreciate the input regarding the Dymags we both have. I figured they'd clear just about anything. Do you have spacers on the front 17x11's?

Daniel_Mc 07-19-2011 06:30 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
No, no spacers up front but the hub looks as though it is just a bit thicker than the stock units. The wilwoods have one heck of a spacer built into the hat. I do not know why but the car had spacers on the rear... It has a bracket between the hub and the rear knuckle that is made so the "old" front J55's could mount out back. The rear uses the stock front hardware. I have removed the spacer and put the rim on and do not see where it would rub at all but put it back on for now. If you would like pictures of anything just let me know of what and what angles.

Daniel

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 06:42 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Thanks, Daniel. I'll most likely go with the C6 Z06 setup with the aftermarket brackets.

XfireZ51 07-19-2011 07:41 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119172)
Thanks, Daniel. I'll most likely go with the C6 Z06 setup with the aftermarket brackets.
Brett,

You need 18" wheels for the Z06 calipers. Won't work on 17s. I'll sell you my Brembos and convert to Z06 brakes.

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 07:53 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 119174)
Brett,

You need 18" wheels for the Z06 calipers. Won't work on 17s. I'll sell you my Brembos and convert to Z06 brakes.
Man, that sucks! I'd hate to think I'd have to do C5 Z06 brakes. I'm not getting rid of my Dymags though. :mad:

I guess I need to look at some Z's with C5 calipers.

How much for the Brembos, Dom?

ZZZZZR1 07-19-2011 07:59 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119145)
Hi all. I want to utilize either C5 or C6 ZO6 brakes. I know there are some caliper brackets and kits. I searched the threads but would just like to be able to take the list for what I want and order it.

I have GenII Dymags that will accept some huge brakes. I just don't know how huge????? They are 17x11 and 17x13 wheels.

I "think???" I want to stay with Corvette brake calipers and rotors, preferably.

Any advice?
Very doubtful you can fit C6 Z06 brakes. (rears maybe, but fronts almost certain they won't fit)

C6 Z06 brakes are very pricey.... If you go "cheap", they are 2k.

C5/C6 brakes are a great value @ under $600.

:cheers:

David

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 08:07 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
I just want to get an idea of what I need to buy next month at Carlisle. I plan on spending some serious $$$ on everthing I need ZR1. I want GM bigger brakes on the 92 project car. It would be nice to buy everything I need while I'm there.

I also need a perfect hood and front bumper assembly.

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 08:30 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
What does Bob have on his 427 car?

-=Jeff=- 07-19-2011 09:14 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119180)
What does Bob have on his 427 car?
Wilwood 6 piston in the front. I think 4 piston in the rear.

XfireZ51 07-19-2011 09:17 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119180)
What does Bob have on his 427 car?
I think he and Al have Wilwoods. I would do the C6Z brakes as a straight up swap for the Brembos. You buy the C6Z brakes and adapters, I'll give you the Brembos w rotors and pads

Blue Flame Restorations 07-19-2011 09:22 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 119183)
I think he and Al have Wilwoods. I would do the C6Z brakes as a straight up swap for the Brembos. You buy the C6Z brakes and adapters, I'll give you the Brembos w rotors and pads

I'm contemplating what to do. I just looked at the C5 Z06 calipers on ebay and the brackets for them. About $600 for that setup. Brembos are intriguing though.

Aurora40 07-20-2011 08:33 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZZZZZR1 (Post 119176)
C6 Z06 brakes are very pricey.... If you go "cheap", they are 2k.
Is the adapter hardware for the C4 pricey? Because for $2k you could buy all brand-new GM calipers, pads, and rotors shipped. Used should be considerably less than that.

I've been keeping an eye on them because I have a friend with a C6 in the market for them.

To the OP, it is the 14" rotor diameter and the fact that your wheels are only 17" in diameter that makes them unlikely to work. Not any kind of spoke to caliper clearance.

Aurora40 07-20-2011 08:36 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119186)
I'm contemplating what to do. I just looked at the C5 Z06 calipers on ebay and the brackets for them. About $600 for that setup. Brembos are intriguing though.
I thought the adapter was like $120ish for C4's. You could probably find used calipers for <$100, rotors can be had for like $25 per from NAPA, and then some Hawk pads for another $100 would put you well under $600.

You can also use C5 regular calipers or C6 regular calipers, to keep your options open when going used.

Is the upgrade for looks? Or for more braking capacity?

Blue Flame Restorations 07-20-2011 08:52 AM
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AUrora40, thanks. Actually looks and performance. Mostly looks though. I like the looks of a 2 piece rotor, drilled/slotted. I am understanding that a 13" rotor is my max size with the 17" Dymags. I'm ok with that.

May do the brackets and C5Z06 calipers.

Aurora40 07-20-2011 08:58 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Ok, maybe more like $150 for calipers vs <$100... I thought they were cheaper. Two-piece rotors are pricey, and you might feel compelled to upgrade the rear to match, which is more pricey. I spent $900 on 4 two-piece rotors on my car, I don't think I'd do that again... They looked cool, but so do 9 C-notes.

It's hard to beat the C5+ rotor for performance, it's quite a bit thicker than the J55 front rotor. The caliper might not be super blingy, but the C6 version of it is pretty clean looking. Maybe Mike can chime in about their performance. He has a friend with an LT4 race car and uses C5 brakes. Mike was impressed with their abilities on the track. And they are cheap!

Just FYI, if you only want looks, Baer has that 6-piston caliper with pads (C5 sized) that uses the stock J55 rotor for $1k. There'll be some performance upgrade from the extra clamping force, but mostly it looks cool, and uses standard replacement parts (C4 rotors, C5 pads).

DaveK 07-20-2011 09:07 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
I have a spare set of the adapters made by Exotic Muscle. You're welcome to them.

Dave

Daniel_Mc 07-20-2011 09:40 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Brett,

LG had a Wilwood SL6 set up for the C5 that a few C4 guys converted over and used. They were running the C4 to C5 adaptor brackets and the Wilwood Caliper. The LG set up utilized the stock C5 rotor so you could just purchase any "Stock" style 2 piece rotors and that should achieve the look you are going for. The Wilwood site shows the calipers in red and black so you may have a choice. I looked on LG's site and did not see the kit, it may be discontinued but I know it fit behind the GM stock C5 Z06 wheels and GM A-Molds. The only reason I stayed away from this set up was I had heard under hard conditions the pistons in the SL series of caliper had seized causing extreme pad wear and possible loss of braking. I have never seen it or even met anyone that had but I was skeptical so I went the route that I knew worked. Another option is the Wilwood?s from DRM for the C4; I am running this set up with absolutely no problems and the rotors are nice and thick along with the pads. Just my .02 but I feel a thicker rotor is better than a larger diameter one. Stop Tech also makes a nice set up but I believe it is the front only for the C4.

Daniel

scholtmj 07-20-2011 03:33 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
13" Baer 6P on my daily driver. C5/C6 pad size so lots of compunds. I have 275/40-17 BFG KDs up front and you can lock them up whenever you want - lots of stopping power. I was also pleased with the pedal feel after installation - near stock stroke length.
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/r...Picture018.jpg


http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/r...Picture005.jpg

Blue Flame Restorations 07-20-2011 03:38 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveK (Post 119234)
I have a spare set of the adapters made by Exotic Muscle. You're welcome to them.

Dave
I'll buy them. I'll get ahold of you before Carlisle.

Brett

Blue Flame Restorations 07-20-2011 03:41 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scholtmj (Post 119258)
13" Baer 6P on my daily driver. C5/C6 pad size so lots of compunds. I have 275/40-17 BFG KDs up front and you can lock them up whenever you want - lots of stopping power. I was also pleased with the pedal feel after installation - near stock stroke length.
http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/r...Picture018.jpg


http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/r...Picture005.jpg

That is the look that I wanting to achieve. I won't be racing or anything. I just like the look. Thanks for posting.

Blue Flame Restorations 07-20-2011 03:42 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel_Mc (Post 119237)
Brett,

LG had a Wilwood SL6 set up for the C5 that a few C4 guys converted over and used. They were running the C4 to C5 adaptor brackets and the Wilwood Caliper. The LG set up utilized the stock C5 rotor so you could just purchase any "Stock" style 2 piece rotors and that should achieve the look you are going for. The Wilwood site shows the calipers in red and black so you may have a choice. I looked on LG's site and did not see the kit, it may be discontinued but I know it fit behind the GM stock C5 Z06 wheels and GM A-Molds. The only reason I stayed away from this set up was I had heard under hard conditions the pistons in the SL series of caliper had seized causing extreme pad wear and possible loss of braking. I have never seen it or even met anyone that had but I was skeptical so I went the route that I knew worked. Another option is the Wilwood?s from DRM for the C4; I am running this set up with absolutely no problems and the rotors are nice and thick along with the pads. Just my .02 but I feel a thicker rotor is better than a larger diameter one. Stop Tech also makes a nice set up but I believe it is the front only for the C4.

Daniel

Dainel, thanks for the great input. Much appreciated, as always. This will help alot.

Kevin 07-20-2011 04:48 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
i need to look out for c5 calipers at carlisle

FU 07-20-2011 04:54 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
I like using a bias spring in the master cylinder when converting over to C5 brakes. The bias spring reduces the front nose dive a bit when hitting the brakes.

ZZZZZR1 07-20-2011 05:04 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora40 (Post 119225)
Is the adapter hardware for the C4 pricey? Because for $2k you could buy all brand-new GM calipers, pads, and rotors shipped. Used should be considerably less than that.

I've been keeping an eye on them because I have a friend with a C6 in the market for them.

To the OP, it is the 14" rotor diameter and the fact that your wheels are only 17" in diameter that makes them unlikely to work. Not any kind of spoke to caliper clearance.
$500 alone for the rear hub needed for the emergency brake. Front adapters are about $150 to $200.

Need different SS lines, rotors, calipers, pads, etc etc etc.

Ask Ricky... VERY pricey!

C5 / C6 brake upgrade is the best for the $$$$$ and looks great!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSC01358.jpg

XfireZ51 07-20-2011 05:13 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Did we ever finalize a status on using the CTS-V or Camaro brakes?

Blue Flame Restorations 07-20-2011 05:18 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZZZZZR1 (Post 119276)
$500 alone for the rear hub needed for the emergency brake. Front adapters are about $150 to $200.

Need different SS lines, rotors, calipers, pads, etc etc etc.

Ask Ricky... VERY pricey!

C5 / C6 brake upgrade is the best for the $$$$$ and looks great!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSC01358.jpg

Looks great, Dave.

Aurora40 07-21-2011 08:10 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119262)
That is the look that I wanting to achieve. I won't be racing or anything. I just like the look. Thanks for posting.
If you just want a look, the Baer 6P looks pretty nice.

Here's my car with two-piece rotors and the 6P caliper. I had about $2k total into the brakes:

http://aurora40.dyndns.org/Hometown/...l_DSC00211.JPG

The rears are "plus" rotors, they are 13" vs 12", and come with a caliper relocation bracket. It was only $50 more (on ~$500 rotors) for the "plus" upgrade once I decided on two-piece ones.

I'll tell ya, I really miss how good that car looked...

RICKYRJ1 07-21-2011 10:26 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZZZZZR1 (Post 119276)
$500 alone for the rear hub needed for the emergency brake. Front adapters are about $150 to $200.

Need different SS lines, rotors, calipers, pads, etc etc etc.

Ask Ricky... VERY pricey!

C5 / C6 brake upgrade is the best for the $$$$$ and looks great!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...l/DSC01358.jpg
The C6 ZO6 fronts were a staight forward set up, simple adapter. I bought the new front calipers & rotors form a forum member for $450.00 shipped from VA. (great deal) The rears I had to pay small discount retail, I beleive $600.00 cals & rotors. Hawks pads, extra as well as new SS lines. The rear hub adapter was another $600.00 + & I needed to get some new C5 e-brake cables to make it work. Once I put the fronts on I had no choice but to step up and do the rears(the caliper was to small sitting in the wheel) I am more than happy with the final result eventhough it cost me a little more coin. Like Dom I run the OEM ZO6 wheels. I will be at Carlisle on Friday morning if you want to take a look

Blue Flame Restorations 07-21-2011 10:39 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RICKYRJ1 (Post 119350)
The C6 ZO6 fronts were a staight forward set up, simple adapter. I bought the new front calipers & rotors form a forum member for $450.00 shipped from VA. (great deal) The rears I had to pay small discount retail, I beleive $600.00 cals & rotors. Hawks pads, extra as well as new SS lines. The rear hub adapter was another $600.00 + & I needed to get some new C5 e-brake cables to make it work. Once I put the fronts on I had no choice but to step up and do the rears(the caliper was to small sitting in the wheel) I am more than happy with the final result eventhough it cost me a little more coin. Like Dom I run the OEM ZO6 wheels. I will be at Carlisle on Friday morning if you want to take a look

So you run an 18" wheel? I plan to run my massive Dymag GenII's 17x11 front and 17x13 rear wheels. I think my max size rotor is a 13"??? Right????

Probably do the C5 Z06 calipers with adapters and anything else I need to make it work. It would be nice to have a parts list of everything I need to make this setup work before I go to Carlisle. Anyone have a quick list?

DaveK 07-21-2011 10:51 AM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119351)
So you run an 18" wheel? I plan to run my massive Dymag GenII's 17x11 front and 17x13 rear wheels. I think my max size rotor is a 13"??? Right????

Probably do the C5 Z06 calipers with adapters and anything else I need to make it work. It would be nice to have a parts list of everything I need to make this setup work before I go to Carlisle. Anyone have a quick list?
So far as I know, the list is:

C5/C6 Calipers
C5(C6?) Abutment Brackets
C4/C5 Adapter Brackets
C5/C6 Rotors
C5/C6 pads

Thanks

Dave

Jagdpanzer 07-21-2011 02:39 PM
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Here are C6 base base calipers powder coated red and 2 piece rotors I got from Ricky when he went the C6 Z06 route.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...U/DSC00203.jpg

Blue Flame Restorations 07-21-2011 02:49 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jagdpanzer (Post 119370)
Here are C6 base base calipers powder coated red and 2 piece rotors I got from Ricky when he went the C6 Z06 route.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...U/DSC00203.jpg

Phil, are you running a 17" wheel or 18"". If I run a 17" wheel, what is the largest diameter rotor I can run? 13" ???

So, can I run a C6 caliper with a 17" wheel. If so, what size rotor am I limited to running???

Kevin 07-21-2011 02:56 PM
Re: Big Brakes Needed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Flame Restorations (Post 119351)
So you run an 18" wheel? I plan to run my massive Dymag GenII's 17x11 front and 17x13 rear wheels. I think my max size rotor is a 13"??? Right????

Probably do the C5 Z06 calipers with adapters and anything else I need to make it work. It would be nice to have a parts list of everything I need to make this setup work before I go to Carlisle. Anyone have a quick list?
1* Caliper C5 '97-03 Base RT Front
1* Caliper C5 '97-03 Base LT Front
1** Pads Z06 Front '97-04/
1** Pads ZR-1 OEM Rear '89-96
2 Pad Abutment Bracket /
2 Rebuild Kit Rear Caliper /
4 Guide Pin /
4 Rubber Boot Kit/
2 Banjo Bolt Fitting
1 Copper Washers-10ea /
1 Theadlocker Red Permatex-High Strength
2 front rotors
2 rear rotors
1 C4 Brake Bias Spring
1 Earl's Hyper-firm SS Lines '93-96/
5 Valvoline Synpower-Synthetic Brake Fluid
4 Calipers/Brackets Powdercoated
1***C4/C5 Adapter Kit / / / 125.00

Blue Flame Restorations 07-21-2011 03:09 PM
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Thanks, Kevin. That helps tremendously.

What is the rotor size with this setup??


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