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Don in VT 03-25-2012 09:03 AM

Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Hi,

I have found that I have developed a high idle and I was wondering if a VERY loose rubber dual PVC valve connector could be the cause of the high idle speed ( 1K RPM). The rubber connecor is sloppy loose with almost no sealing to the PCV valves.

I would guess that the connector is very hard to find so has anyone come up with an alternative (besides the oil catch can) to replacle the connector ?

Thanks,

Don in VT

:Eagle:

Paul Workman 03-25-2012 09:32 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don in VT (Post 136637)
Hi,

I have found that I have developed a high idle and I was wondering if a VERY loose rubber dual PVC valve connector could be the cause of the high idle speed ( 1K RPM). The rubber connecor is sloppy loose with almost no sealing to the PCV valves.

I would guess that the connector is very hard to find so has anyone come up with an alternative (besides the oil catch can) to replacle the connector ?

Thanks,

Don in VT

:Eagle:

Don,

I assume we're talking about the rubber piece that holds the PVC valves themselves, and to which the hardline to the front of the plenum is attached?

Anyway, you could pull the hardline out of the rubber PVC piece and hold your thumb against the open end of the hardline and see if your idle is affected.

If that doesn't affect the idle, then pressing a hard, vinal-covered (3-ring) notebook tight across the open air horn while idling will kill the motor, UNLESS there is a vacuum "leak" somewhere. If the motor kills (try it more than once) then the problem may be with the TPS votage or crud in the TB, or IAC crudded up...for starters.

Asking a stupid question... Is the idle actually "fast", or are you only referring to the tack reading???

P.

P.

Paul Workman 03-25-2012 09:33 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don in VT (Post 136637)
Hi,

I have found that I have developed a high idle and I was wondering if a VERY loose rubber dual PVC valve connector could be the cause of the high idle speed ( 1K RPM). The rubber connecor is sloppy loose with almost no sealing to the PCV valves.

I would guess that the connector is very hard to find so has anyone come up with an alternative (besides the oil catch can) to replacle the connector ?

Thanks,

Don in VT

:Eagle:

Don,

I assume we're talking about the rubber piece that holds the PVC valves themselves, and to which the hardline to the front of the plenum is attached?

Anyway, you could pull the hardline out of the rubber PVC piece and hold your thumb against the open end of the hardline and see if your idle is affected.

If that doesn't affect the idle, then pressing a hard, vinal-covered (3-ring) notebook tight across the open air horn while idling will kill the motor, UNLESS there is a vacuum "leak" somewhere. If the motor kills (try it more than once) then the problem may be with the TPS votage or crud in the TB, or IAC crudded up...for starters.

Asking a stupid question... Is the idle actually "fast", or are you only referring to the tack reading???

P.

XfireZ51 03-25-2012 09:40 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don in VT (Post 136637)
Hi,

I have found that I have developed a high idle and I was wondering if a VERY loose rubber dual PCV valve connector could be the cause of the high idle speed ( 1K RPM). The rubber connecor is sloppy loose with almost no sealing to the PCV valves.

I would guess that the connector is very hard to find so has anyone come up with an alternative (besides the oil catch can) to replacle the connector ?

Thanks,

Don in VT

:Eagle:

Don,

Absolutely it will cause a high idle. Several ways to help seal that using zip ties and sleeving the PCVs. I also have spare PCV hoses available.
Finally, check TPS voltage and Min Air Adjustment.

Don in VT 03-25-2012 10:59 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Thanks everyone. All the responses were great. I will try them all.

I just put in a NOS TPS and it is set up to .54 v KOEO. Smooth idle but somewhat high. The idle is high, it is not just the tach reading.


Thanks again

Don:cheers:

XfireZ51 03-25-2012 11:23 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don in VT (Post 136655)
Thanks everyone. All the responses were great. I will try them all.

I just put in a NOS TPS and it is set up to .54 v KOEO. Smooth idle but somewhat high. The idle is high, it is not just the tach reading.


Thanks again

Don:cheers:

Don,

You need to set the Min Air first based on the IAC counts (10-20 at no load idle), THEN adjust the TPS voltage.

Paul Workman 03-25-2012 11:36 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XfireZ51 (Post 136645)
Don,

Absolutely it will cause a high idle. Several ways to help seal that using zip ties and sleeving the PCVs. I also have spare PVC hoses available.
Finally, check TPS voltage and Min Air Adjustment.

I agree

Purdy sheer "the Don" will need a scanner or the like to see IAC counts, in order to determine idle set screw setting. And too, if IAC counts are ZERO, then air is getting in somewhere!

Don, there should always be idle air counts; how many depends on engine temp and idle screw setting.
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P.

mike100 03-25-2012 01:13 PM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
An easy way to tighten up the PCV 'f-pipe' rubber coupler is to wrap a layer of electrical splicing tape (not regular electrical tape) to the nipples of the pcv valves themselves. As this is a thicker rubber, self sealing type of wrap, it will really grip to the original rubber grommet and won't have that barely fitting loose feel.

tpr60 03-25-2012 02:22 PM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
If your car is a 1990 GM had a up dated prom for high idle and slow idle recovery, check service bulletins, I used one and it worked. There is a Registry thread about how to make the PCV valve holder out of copper fittings, I did it and it worked great at about a cost of $15 and two hours work.

Don in VT 03-25-2012 05:29 PM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Hi All,

Wow, this thread is a keeper. More great ideas and way to optimize the idle. The suggestion to make the F component out of copper tube is elegant . I can do that right away.

Thanks again

Don:cheers:

digg101 03-26-2012 10:21 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
I have a similiar situation with my '91. The idle is smooth but fluctuates from 900 to 1200 rpm's. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

XfireZ51 03-26-2012 10:35 AM

Re: Hi Idle 1K RPm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by digg101 (Post 136725)
I have a similiar situation with my '91. The idle is smooth but fluctuates from 900 to 1200 rpm's. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Aren't "smooth" and "fluctuates" contradicting terms? Have u checked for vacuum leaks? What about your IAC counts?


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