Originally Posted by jcampbell1993 (Post 173156)

My friend just puchased #102 and the window sticker states that the car was delivered to CPC Group Engineering Center 30003 Van Dyke RM. A106 Warren MI 48090. Does anyone have any information on this delivery location?

Originally Posted by 1989ZR1#74 (Post 173177)

JC, Could be a lot of reasons. Could have been a PEP car. (company car assigned to a employee) or a service center car etc. There are two boxes on the build sheet that shed some light. The delivery dealer and the order dealer. Who ordered it? next step would be to order a vehicle invoice from:

http://www.gmmediaarchive.com/

That will show some additional information. Scan all the docs and repost this in the Prototype section of the forum. We history geeks love figuring out theses issues.

Joe same goes for your 1995. These two where part of development history of the Z at some level. Move the question to the Proto section.

Eric

Originally Posted by Vetman (Post 173260)

Interesting, my car window sticker shows shipped to the chev. Central office in warren Michigan, but sold new in manhattan beach, California. Members have told me my car was probably a pep car (Product evaluation program). I do have the presentation box but the build sheet is missing so I can't look at the boxes, however, I will try to get the one off the tank if it is still there and check boxes 110, 113, 117. I have all the new car sales stuff confirming new car purchase at champion Chevrolet in manhattan beach. Yet delivery to the tech center in warren Michigan. My z is a 1990 # 2441

Originally Posted by 1989ZR1#74 (Post 173177)

JC, Could be a lot of reasons. Could have been a PEP car. (company car assigned to a employee) or a service center car etc. There are two boxes on the build sheet that shed some light. The delivery dealer and the order dealer. Who ordered it? next step would be to order a vehicle invoice from:

http://www.gmmediaarchive.com/

That will show some additional information. Scan all the docs and repost this in the Prototype section of the forum. We history geeks love figuring out theses issues.

Joe same goes for your 1995. These two where part of development history of the Z at some level. Move the question to the Proto section.

Eric

Originally Posted by JThomas (Post 173163)

That would be the address for the GM Tech Center in Warren, Michigan. What color combination is the car, it could have a unique history.

I have a '95 ZR-1 that was delivered to the Proving Grounds in Mesa, Arizona. I'm still trying to learn what it may have been involved in, but sometimes that's the fun of owning these cars.

Originally Posted by WVZR-1 (Post 173266)

I don't understand why it would be suggested that inquiries into a "production" car be directed towards the "PROTOTYPES" - "limited to pre-production ZR-1's"? I can't see where there would any significant advantage for the "owners" or "interested person" inquiring to gather any information that the "general membership" couldn't likely maybe contribute towards.

Are you professing - "all knowing"? c'mon !

Originally Posted by JThomas (Post 173244)

Eric:

Thanks for that information! I have spoken to Ingles, Minneker and Heinricy about my car, because they are all here in Michigan, but I will try this and see if I can find out anythig additional.

Thanks

Originally Posted by LGAFF (Post 173271)

The guy no one mentions often is Scott Leon, my understanding, and people can correct me if I am wrong, he oversaw alot of the ZR-1 testing in mesa. Scott also apparently played a role in many of the one off Z builds; including snakeskinner, etc

Originally Posted by 1989ZR1#74 (Post 173529)

JC, The Qual-Effic designated that car as a generic test/quality car used to evaluate the car. An interesting fact is most of the 15 France 1989 ZR-1s were built for 047 but then transfered to 052.

Some other C-P-C "Dealers"

052 CPC Group Milford Proving Grounds
185 GM Service Development Center
134 Cambpell-Ewald Ad Agency
780 Chevrolet Advertising Photo

#102 was more then likely assigned a "1" p number as a "production" test use car. For example Heinricy's Snake Skinner was assigned

19Y0123
1- Production Pool/general use.
9 = 89
Y = Corvette
0123= 123rd 19Y numbers assigned.

So #102 would have been 10Y0XXX

This number was used for cost accounting and tracking purposes. Car would have been used by CPC until it reached 3000 miles then it could be sold.

There is a slight chance this number is typed on the Build Sheet somewhere.

One more area to check for info is on the actual tank sticker. Many tank stickers have addtional hand written notes on them abouve wht the NCM build sheet has.

Here is a comparison of #004's NCM sheet and what was left of the tank sticker.

http://www.syreal.com/builsheetsm.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/tankstickercropsmall.jpg


I think other then these two longshots the vehicle invoice may provide some addtional info. Ususally it will at least say when it was sold from CPC inventory. Eric

Originally Posted by 1989ZR1#74 (Post 173373)

Check to see if #102 has a similar marking on its fan shroud:

http://www.syreal.com/temponshroud.JPG

Jingles told me all cars delivered to the tech center coolant systems are checked and the number was written on the fan shroud. To prove I am not "all knowing" I have yet to determine what the number actually means, but I have seen this on virtually all prototypes and engineering units I have witnessed.

Originally Posted by 1989ZR1#74 (Post 173529)

One more area to check for info is on the actual tank sticker. Many tank stickers have addtional hand written notes on them abouve wht the NCM build sheet has.