Should we keep the ZR-1 Net or Forum?
 

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/forum/...s/confused.gif Ok lets do a poll, the question is should be keep the "ZR-1 Net" as it is today, a listservice or move to the forum format you see here?

why can't you have both? The listserv is very active, the forum is not so much. Maybe over time that will change, especially as more useful info is on the forum. But for now, it would seem a bad idea to me to remove either one.

I bet if you just chopped the listserv, you wouldn't get all that conversation transferring over here. Only some of it would, some of it would just die out. Also, the listserv is a fantastic repository of info. It's harder to shoot the crap on a listserv, so most of the info is of a serious nature, and I've found answers to practically everything by just searching the listserv archive. :)

Having gone through this on another list let me recommend the soultion. The software was changed so when one signed up for the forum, you could select to recieve all messages for any topic as an email in a format like we do now. This allowed one to have the best of both mediums.

Tyler

I don't blame mom for not wanting to manage both. My preference would be for keeping the listserv, but if the final decision is to shut it down, I will move over here. I suspect he is right that the email volume probably keeps the "membership" from growing even more. Formatted postings exactly like you want can sometimes be painful, and I don't care for having to do all the mouse clicks to see all the messages on forum software, but I'd suffer through both.Mom, this is my biggest concern. Is there a way you could import the listserv (or at least the TECH labelled emails) over here? Not having all that information searchable online would be an absolutely *HUGE* loss.

Marc

If the listserver was to go away the archive of past emails will still be there and available as it is today.

I know for some of you this will be painful but when listening to all the past complaints with the listservice:

- Can't have attachments which mean no pictures, or charts, etc
- Email volume
- Access
- Email changes
- Can't get email at work
- Accidently sending emails to the whole list

and so on....

I just believe the forum would be more fun.

Also as far as having both, it justs seems to delute everyone. Remember when we had more then one ZR-1 Club. People are forced to either join both or pick one.

I have listservice members who don't like getting emails and then I have people on this forum who complain there is not enough activity to make it worth hanging out here.

To me the forum offers advantages like if someone asks for help the responder could actually posts pictures or diagrams.

Keep Zr1net
 

My Vote Is To Keep The Zr1net

Mowedell
1991 Zr1
Owned Since New

Keep the list

Dave,
I vote for the forum.
With the forum you can view only the subjects you want to read and do not have to receive all the messages.
Brian

Keep the net as a listservice.

Keep The List - Down With This Form Stuff

In the end, I will use either one. But, my preference is the listserv.

I like the new forum.

My vote is to keep the list. E-mail works just fine for me.

Forum Is Fun
 

I pick the forum. Photos and diagrams ect. More modern utility vs. a list! Why endure a long detailed description when a photo is worth a thousand words. Besides one more star and I win an LT5......

Keep the ZR1 net as is. Jack Robinson
 

Keep the ZR1 net as is. Jack Robinson

I also like the forum. As I am new to ZR-1 ownership I don't read all the emails I get from the listserve because most of them don't apply to me yet, such as maintenance issues, gatherings, etc. If we are still able to search the listserve archives for topics that have already been sent out that would be great. I think that the forum will allow for more interaction and quicker interaction between members who are online at the same time. There is an infinite amount of knowledge of the ZR-1 and all that it entails here at this website. I only hope that someday I will make some valuable contributions.

Just my .02.

Thanks for being here!

Jim Jones

Well, if you only want to have one, I would vote for the forum. I too prefer the ability to only read threads of interest, post pictures, etc.

However, it's possible that some listserv education might help with some of those problems. I have my subscription set up as a digest, so I only get two emails per day. In addition, one can peruse the emails online if web access is easier than email access (or use a free webmail address as your listserv address like aim.com or whatever).

Ok, I've decided for now to postpone the shutting down of the ZR-1 Net listservice and to continue to keep both the listservice and forum.

Hopefully in time members will see the benefits of having a forum over a listserver. However I've remove any links on the ZR-1 Net Registry web site to joining the ZR-1 Net listservice.

I :worship: to the masses. :-D

Thanks!

Mom, I'd like to strongly second what John Pesar said on the Registery news list:

On 7/31/05, John Pesar wrote:
[...]
> That said Dave, it's clear that you've invested your own money and
> more time than anyone else to keep the ZR1 Net going, and everyone has
> benefited from your efforts. If you are like everyone else, I'm sure there have been
> times down through the years when you had more pressing personal non ZR1 Net
> related issues that were put off in order to manage this net. In those
> circumstances the rest of us can just turn off the computer and take care of other
> things. Yesterday you democratized what is really not a democracy by allowing
> us to vote on how things should go in the future. That kind of graciousness
> again demonstrates to me that I wish I knew you as a personal friend. I'm not
> aware of the level of effort it would take on your part to switch to a forum
> versus the current listserv environment, but if it's less time intensive on your
> part than the way it is now, and that's what you really need, then you should
> switch to a forum. I'm sure I can learn to live with the new way. The one
> thing that's clear to me personally is that I don't want to lose access to the
> benefit of the experiences and insight of ZR1 owners far more knowledgeable
> than I am by having this go away.

You are more than a class act... you are the cream of the crop, and we're incrediably lucky to have you run this thing. And I'm not saying this because you're keeping the listserv for now - I'm saying it because it is true regardless of the individual decisions (like this one) that are made.

A lucky son,

Marc

Thank you Marc and everyone!:redface:

:cheers:

cadillac531
 

I like the listserv. I check my email many times a day. I probably won't check the forum as often. It's just much more convenient to have everything in the email, than a forum.

Keep the Listserve
 

Mom,
I vote to keep the Listserve. If you do termimnate it later can you please find a way to at least keep the archives to search? I find it has tons of useful information. GENO!

I vote for the forum.

The Listservice e-mails are a PITA. Dave, you're always going to have people object. You know the forum is a better way, just do what you know is best because doing it both ways isn't the right answer.

As I said to Dave in an email, I agree with his explanation to Bob regarding the forum. He and others probably were unaware it has existed for several years.
As suspected, there are those members who like the listserver, but they may not realize that others have actually avoided joining the registry because of it. I for one held off on joining for fear of endless emails filling up my box. While I accept it now, others have undoubtedly never joined because of it.

Personally I think he made a wise choice in keeping the listserver around for the time being because of the memberships requests. However, I would suggest we continue to try and make everyone aware of the forum so they will participate on it more frequently.

:cheers:

Have you ever heard the saying, "you don't throw the baby out with the bath water"? Several of your posts have been of a complaining nature which is fine since you are entitled to your opinion like anyone else. However, you need to try and understand that we are working hard to stimulate forum activity at the moment. A successful forum has plenty of activity. Since the forum was started several years ago, this is by far the most activity we have had. That is not to say everyone must like it, but try giving us a little understanding and go with the flow. We have almost registered several hundred more users in the past few weeks, and will naturally experience growing pains from some peoples perspective.

You are welcome to post as much or as little as you like, but as the forum grows we will make adjustments based on the members requests. So rather than leave, try staying, posting constructive suggestions, and give it a chance. You can always choose to leave at a future date if the forum is not right for you. I for one hope you stay to make it a better forum for everyone to enjoy.

:cheers:

Hello Al,

Sadly you have chosen to take a valid observation and characterize it as a personal attack. Try reading the entire post again and see what my overall message to you is.
You might well be having a bad day, or are frustrated with the forum at the moment, and it is clouding your judgment. All I'm asking you to do is try seeing the glass as half full rather than half empty, and give us a chance.

Sincerely,
JIM

:cheers:

I'm So Happy
 

u can please some of the people all of the time...u can please all the people some of the time...but u can't please all of the people all of the time!!! nuff said I have my *****LT5 STAR***** i'm so happy!!! 100 posts not too hard eh !!!

keep the listserve
 

I don't care for forums and prefer that we keep the listserve

I'm happy to have both.

Al I don't feel Z Factor was attacking you personally. It's ok if you don't find the Forum to your likeing. That is why we have options, the forum and the listserver.

His point was we are trying to attract members. It's the chicken and the egg thing. If there are not enough members posting then people don't return and the Forum never gets off the ground.

The contest was/is an attempt to try and attract members. I agree members should not post garbage just for the sake of winning the contest or getting their titles upgraded. The titles are like a badge of honor awarded to those who visit often and offer to help those that have questions.

We are open to any suggestions anyone might have to help make this forum more enjoyable to visit and use.

Thanks!

I'm all for the Forum..even if I don't post alot I still come here to read what others have to say.

That is correct, and very evident in my public posts in this thread. I have also been in touch with Al via PM to express the same. Hopefully by now he does realize that.
At times, messages and words in this type of medium come across much differently than they would in real life. The internet allows us to communicate with people in ways we never imagined just a short time ago. However, the trade off is that it can be impersonal without the ability to hear the tone or inflection of another persons voice, or see the facial expression of the person. We must therefore be on guard not to allow a perceived slight to be taken personally, and understand that this medium can lead to misunderstandings despite all it's merits.

:cheers:

Al,

Just to address who Jim is. Yes Jim is a member of the ZR-1 Net. Jim has also been nice enough a couple of years ago to step up and offerto help me run the Forum so he is not new at this.

I have no problem with Jim not wanting to give out any personal information because unfortunately we have some sick people out there in the world and he has a right to privacy.

As far as the business around titles and stars, all forums have something similar.

People need to loosen up a little, forums, and corvettes and such are suppose to be fun. If we take it too seriously then it's not fun anymore. That is why we have things like smilies to add to our text messages to have fun.

Let's have a :cheers: and have some fun.

Thanks,

My vote is to maintain both.

I AGREE...Everything I read on or from the ZR-1 net registry folks has always been either helpful or entertaining...few, if any, exceptions.

Re: Should we keep the ZR-1 Net or Forum?
 

My vote is to keep both. The list is a wealth of information and is great reading. The forum is an easy way to communicate.

1992 ZR1 #330 white/white

Re: Should we keep the ZR-1 Net or Forum?
 

I like the forum, if you can only choose one. :dancing
Keep both if you can do it.

Re: Should we keep the ZR-1 Net or Forum?
 

We are keeping both. :-D

Re: Should we keep the ZR-1 Net or Forum?
 

I like both, and use both. If I were forced to choose, I'd probably keep the Net. :handshak: