High/Hanging Idle

[lguthrie123]

Check throttle plate gaps maybe, 0 IAC counts is usually for a reason. And are those really original injectors?

[ssmith95]

Originally Posted by lguthrie123

Check throttle plate gaps maybe, 0 IAC counts is usually for a reason. And are those really original injectors?

I went back out to the shop and checked the throttle plates earlier and they are closed. I also pressed on them with the car running to see if they were binding and they are not.

A thick folder over the air horn still fails to stall the engine, so air is coming in from somewhere. When covered, engine rpm does drop to where it should be. I?m running out of places to look so the primary injector o-rings are looking like the next point of interest. I have pulled a vacuum on every line Ive had access to this far and they hold. I repaired two lines and they successfully hold vacuum now.

According to the prior owner, who owned the car for 22 years, only two of the injectors have been replaced. He says he ran nothing but ethanol free fuel which may have something to do with their lifespan. I?m leaning towards pulling the plenum again and removing the fuel rail to insect/replace whatever I find.

[WARP TEN]

Out of curiosity, have you had a chance to talk with Marc Haibeck about this? If not he may have some helpful advice. Or maybe Corey since you are in Texas. Just a thought. --Bob

[ssmith95]

I have not, but that is a good idea. Ill send Marc an email and see if he has any insight.

[ssmith95]

Marc responded to my email this morning and reaffirmed that I have a large vacuum leak somewhere. In addition to his common leak locations, he suggested I check the PCV valves since incorrect valves can flow too much.


If the PCV system checks out, my curiosity will likely get the better of me this week and I'll pull the plenum again. I need to put my eyes on the primary injector o-rings and see what they look like. I really ought to just replace the stock injectors while I am in there...



I drove the car to work this morning and sitting in the garage warming up, the engine rpm was around 650 and never budged. As soon as I gave it throttle it never settled back down that low. The hunting becomes more dramatic as the engine heats up. Frustrating to say the least.

[XfireZ51]

Sounds too inconsistent to be a vacuum leak. Sounds to me that as soon as u stab the throttle that?s when it occurs, then quite possibly the movement of the throttle is what brings on the high idle. Throttle blade may be sticking which is what I experienced some years ago.

[WARP TEN]

Originally Posted by XfireZ51

Sounds too inconsistent to be a vacuum leak. Sounds to me that as soon as u stab the throttle that?s when it occurs, then quite possibly the movement of the throttle is what brings on the high idle. Throttle blade may be sticking which is what I experienced some years ago.

As Dominic suggested earlier, it might be partly mechanical and might benefit from the addition of the helper spring he suggested earlier in the thread. Can't hurt and it can't cost much from Marc. Maybe a combination of weak spring and a vacuum leak, unless Marc didn't think the spring would help. --Bob

[lguthrie123]

If there is 0 IAC counts and air is still getting through then the IAC could be a bad or wrong part, or an unseated or bad O-ring. Use TunerPro to log MAP values and track as you try different things. FSM shows a range of 20 ? 48 kPa.

If you can't determine an IAC fault it might be worth chasing down a smoke machine, there is still a lot of oddball vacuum possibilities.

Injector O-rings could be toast at this age and injectors in general could be a good investment. Any codes?

[ssmith95]

Im headed towards buying a smoke machine. This car has got me totally stumped. I tested two separate IAC valves tonight and both are fully seated in the passage. I used a curved pick to see if the pintle was fully seated and it was.

What is the lowest possible point a vacuum leak could occur, the injector housing gasket?

[ssmith95]

Smoke test was revealing. The MAP line had a tiny leak around the nipple on the plenum, smaller line fixed that. I also can see smoke coming from two locations deep under the plenum. One coming from possibly around the actuator between cylinder 6/8 and the other deep below the injectors on cylinder 2.

Anyone thoughts on what could be leaking in those areas?

Looking at some diagrams, looks like the bearings for the secondary throttle shafts are roughly in these locations.