German F-1

[DaveK]

Ferrari cheat, break the rules and get a measly $100k fine? Last year Alonso won by having his co-driver ordered to crash to bring out the safety car?

He acts like a whiny brat who seems like he has to repeatedly cheat to win and Ferrari should have been stripped of their win and points. I'm really getting to the point where I'm losing interest in it because of all this cheating and "gamesmanship".

[flyin ryan]

I don't know how to say this.....But what is it about Alonso that makes him think he is all that & a bag of chips?? Is he really that good? Really?? He seems to do good/great in so-so cars but once he gets in good ones, doesn't blow my mind at all. After what he pulled at McLaran I wouldn't have anything to do with the guy, period! He's a special one...

[Aurora40]

Originally Posted by DaveK

Ferrari cheat, break the rules and get a measly $100k fine? Last year Alonso won by having his co-driver ordered to crash to bring out the safety car?

What was the cheat? They broke the rules and got the maximum penalty outlined by said rules. These teams succeed or fail by pushing the rules to the limit. It's no different in the driving than it is in the car design, pit strategy, whatever.

The main crap that bothers me is things like Hamilton driving down the pit over the blue line (twice!) with nothing done, or when the track workers craned his car out of a gravel trap and put it back on the track back in 2007.

The rest of it, while it doesn't make for exciting racing, is just teams doing what they need to do. That's just how it goes. The FIA makes the rules, and the teams push the boundaries of them.

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by Aurora40

What was the cheat? They broke the rules and got the maximum penalty outlined by said rules.

They broke the rules... the definition of cheating - no?

There's a big difference between pushing the boundaries and deliberately ordering one guy to let someone else through who would not have got there on merit.

[DaveK]

Originally Posted by DaveK

They broke the rules... the definition of cheating - no?

There's a big difference between pushing the boundaries and deliberately ordering one guy to let someone else through who would not have got there on merit.

And how you can dismiss ordering a guy to deliberately crash by saying it's "just how it goes" is beyond me.

[flyin ryan]

Here's an example of what I mean by my Alonso comments. The crash you mention Dave, Nelson Piquet (who crashed on purpose) where is he now....? I know where he is but my point being he has been blackballed by F-1. Alonso was in the middle of McLeran getting a HUGE fine because there cars 'maybe' looked liked Ferrari's a little. What was that fine again, 50 or 100 million...? Something ridiculous like that? I don't know how Alonso does it.....For the record, I don't have a problem with team orders either...To me it's a team sport. But in the eyes of F-1/FIA, team orders are not part of the agenda right now...so guess it's a no-no.

[Aurora40]

Originally Posted by flyin ryan

Here's an example of what I mean by my Alonso comments. The crash you mention Dave, Nelson Piquet (who crashed on purpose) where is he now....? I know where he is but my point being he has been blackballed by F-1. Alonso was in the middle of McLeran getting a HUGE fine because there cars 'maybe' looked liked Ferrari's a little. What was that fine again, 50 or 100 million...? Something ridiculous like that? I don't know how Alonso does it.....For the record, I don't have a problem with team orders either...To me it's a team sport. But in the eyes of F-1/FIA, team orders are not part of the agenda right now...so guess it's a no-no.

Ehh... Alonso was hardly "in the middle" of the McLaren thing. The engineers were in the middle. Alonso and Hamilton apparently knew about it, though, both of whom are still racing, not just Alonso.

Piquet wasn't a very good driver. He'd be nowhere no matter what, it wasn't until he lost his ride that he came forward about the crash.

If your dislike of Alonso is based solely on his whining, fair enough. Though I would bet most F1 drivers are or would be the same way, they just play the PR game better. But as to your earlier question about what is so great about him, it's his driving. I don't know how you can watch the guy race and not think he does some amazing stuff now and then.

[flyin ryan]

Originally Posted by Aurora40

Ehh... Alonso was hardly "in the middle" of the McLaren thing.

LOL....Then either you forgot the events that unfolded or you never knew. The fact he 'Does' have talent is the reason he's still in the sport.

[flyin ryan]

Originally Posted by Aurora40

I don't know how you can watch the guy race and not think he does some amazing stuff now and then.

Absolutly....As I said earlier, he does more in less, was my main point. All the time he drove for Renault (both times) never heard Boo from him, Head down a** up, get er dun! 2 world championchips in the bag. But when he's with a 'Big' team, he's radioing back to the pits 'I'm faster, I'm faster', LOL. Then pass him! Too funny. As you say though, I'm sure all F-1 guys are the same in that they have someone trim the crust off their toast in the morning

[Aurora40]

Originally Posted by DaveK

And how you can dismiss ordering a guy to deliberately crash by saying it's "just how it goes" is beyond me.

When did I do that? I thought we were talking about the German GP?